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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; hosepipe; cornelis; Bouilhet; Amos the Prophet; xzins; blue-duncan; ...
Most commonly around here, the scientist-correspondents who are atheist reject the Gosse Omphalos hypothesis because it would make deception a property of God which they aver is an insult.

Lets reference the miracle of turning water into wine. When Jesus did it we can conclude that it was more or less an instantaneous miracle. If we placed it on the time line I'd say that it probably took no more than a millisecond. Now if man were to go about the process of turning water into wine it would be a long process on the time line. First of all one would need grape seeds. Let us assume for a moment that through genetic engineering man were able to create a grape seed from a mixture of inorganic chemicals, he would still need to take the time to plant it. He could then add the water necessary to make the vine grow. This would probably take about 2 years before wine quality grapes could be produced. So man would have to add water to the seeds for about 2 years before he got a crop of grapes. He would then have to pick the grapes and crush them and add the necessary bacterium (which he would also have to create in his laboratory). Then he would have to let the mixture sit for a couple of years in order for all the necessary chemical changes to take place to make the mixture into a fine wine (The Bible says that the wine was premium -- probably the finest wine ever produced). So we are looking at a period of 5 years of time which would be necessary to "naturally" turn water into wine.

But Jesus did the whole operation in a millisecond. When the result was completed, Jesus presented the wedding party with a cistern filled with wine that, by all appearances, was at least 5 if not 10 years in the making.

If Christ could do all that in a mere millisecond, then just think of what wonders God could create if he had SIX DAYS!

642 posted on 11/17/2005 2:01:24 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe; Alamo-Girl
[ If Christ could do all that in a mere millisecond, then just think of what wonders God could create if he had SIX DAYS! ]

Six days is obviously a metaphor.. If "someone" could create a world in six days, why not six minutes, or six seconds. or six whateverons.. Manipulating matter is a hardly studied "science".. We have oh! so much to learn..

If God in the future gave you the power to do that (manipulate matter)..
What would YOU do with it(that GIFT).?.

643 posted on 11/17/2005 2:32:09 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: P-Marlowe; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; xzins

If I had the foggiest idea what the Gosse Omphalos hypothesis was I'd retire just on the conceit and I'm too old to look it up 'cause I don't think I have the time left to enjoy whatever understanding I could get out of it. But I do thank you all for the compliment for including me in on the idea.


644 posted on 11/17/2005 2:38:20 PM PST by blue-duncan
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To: P-Marlowe; hosepipe; blue-duncan; betty boop; xzins
Thank you so much for your posts and this sidebar!

We're all Christians on this ping, so I'm sure none of us would suggest that anything could be beyond God's power though there may be things excluded by His will.

Concerning the Gosse Omphalos hypothesis, if anyone is interested:

Gosse Ompahlos hypothesis (Wikipedia)

The omphalos hypothesis was named after the title of an 1857 book by Philip Henry Gosse in which he argued that in order for the world to be "functional", God must have created the Earth with mountains, canyons, trees with growth rings, Adam and Eve with hair, fingernails, and navels (omphalos is Greek for "navel"), and that therefore no evidence we can see of the presumed age of the earth and universe can be taken as reliable.


655 posted on 11/17/2005 9:29:52 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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