Wah! Wah, I say!
Exposing my lies is an attack on all True ChristiansTM
Posted on 11/01/2005 6:27:26 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
"What strange bed-fellows Evolution has had coming to its support: Communists, the ACLU, the DU, the MSM, PFAW, Wiccans, Ted Kennedy ... the list goes on and on."
Sometimes reading our hard core "Evols" statements I can't help feeling they're DU plants trying to pull all of us apart. The only thing missing is all the cussing, otherwise I'd think I mistakenly logged onto DU!
evolutionary true believer diehards who worship random selection.
I don't worship anything, but I at least know what the theory of evolution is and says.
What part of that statement do you not understand?
"What other scientific theory is a grab-bag of odd and mutually inconsistent screeches that another theory is wrong?"
Evolution is not a collection of attacks on some other theory, it is a novel set of ideas put forth to explain the evidence. ID is a collection of debunked attacks on ToE not the other way around.
Amos, can you read? Because your post indicates you cannot.
Or perhaps that you are so blinded by your faith, that even though you read the sentence above and simply closed your mind to it.
Either way, the words you wrote in response are total nonsense.
It's like he wrote, "What other things are made from lettuce?" and you replied "The sky!"
Maybe it is in your world.
More like "The sky is made of chocolate!" is my interpretation.
Personal attack, insult and belittling seem to be the major tools of the anti ID crowd.
Happy to see you are no exception.
There is much more to ID than your benighted mind allows.
Everyone worships something. It is in the nature of the Weltenschaung.
I know you find this hard to believe, but people really are not all the same, and you are quite wrong about this.
Too bad 'much more' doesn't include physical evidence...
"Personal attack, insult and belittling seem to be the major tools of the anti ID crowd."
Actually Amos, that was not a personal attack at all. I went after the substance of your argument (what little there was). It's precisely this kind of irrational statement that led me to question your reading comprehension.
But since you decided to not address my actual point, I will assume that you agree with me that your comment was gibbrish, and that ToE is derived from evidence and ID is a collection of debunked attacks on that novel theory.
Glad to see we're in agreement.
Here is a tip, just saying that I attacked you, does not make it so. Attacking you would have been calling you illiterate. Asking if you are illiterate was meant to point up the irrational nature of your post.
There is a difference.
But since you aggree with me on the scientific vacuity of ID I am happy to have changed your mind.
And just to not let it stand, there is no more or less to ID than my mind allows. I will bet any sum of money you wish that I know quite a bit about ID. Believe me, there is nothing to it. It's old, bad philosophy, wrapped in information age marketing. It's God of gaps. Now if you believe that your God is not big enough to exist outside the gaps in the knowledge of science, that's fine. But I personally think God is much bigger than that. Is your faith so weak that you need evidence to support it?
Well, I would ask you that question, but you seem to agree.
check back to see what evolves
This is the force behind the assault on evolution going on right now in a courtroom in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.
Nah. It's about making money. Just like it usually is.
A few years ago someone posed as a creationist for quite some time, just to show how easy it is.
I'll bet there is not a single ID advocate or creationist posting on FR that could post an acceptable definition of evolution, or post for an entire day from the evolution point of view without getting caught. They simply don't know anything about the object of their scorn.
Simply more of the same put downs, insults and condescension. Mainstream science is getting a bad name because of the aire of superiority coming from those who deride any thinking but their own. The earth does move, my friend. No amount of burning at the stake of your contempt will change that.
ID is a viable, meanngful and perfectly legitimate approach to understanding nature. If you dig below the surface of any significant research on evolutionary theory you will very quickly be confronted with speculation about the underlying forces determinative of evolution. ID is nothing more than an attempt to get at some of the important questions about natural life processes.
DUH is not an adequate answer to the question, "Why evolution?"
js1138: I know you find this hard to believe, but people really are not all the same, and you are quite wrong about this.
You do not have a clue about what I find hard to believe.
When did I say that people are all the same? Clearly you and I are not the same.
What, precisely, is it that I an quite wrong about?
Do you mean that the sky is NOT made of lettuce?? shock...gasp
When you used the word "everyone". And you are wrong.
"ID is a viable, meanngful and perfectly legitimate approach to understanding nature. If you dig below the surface of any significant research on evolutionary theory you will very quickly be confronted with speculation about the underlying forces determinative of evolution. ID is nothing more than an attempt to get at some of the important questions about natural life processes."
Then I assume you will have no trouble presenting a scientific hypothesis of ID. Please do so. Since the ID community has yet to accomplish this, I wager neither will you.
Just saying ID "a viable, meanngful and perfectly legitimate approach to understanding nature" does not make it so. Provide the hypothesis, as a starting point to back that assertion up. But since Behe et. all have been unable to do so IN COURT all this month, I bet you have nothing. However, if you can't provide it, than what you said above is false.
I have dug way below the surface of the research on evolution. And yes it does contain speculation on the forces at play. That's why it is science. Science is an attmept to speculate based ont he data at hand, and then verify that speciulation through prediction and or experimentation. ID is an attempt to willingly forgo such speculation, and simply say, as you put it "DUH it's ID."
Produce a scientific hypothesis please. There is none.
Again, saying I am insulting you does not make it so. "Simply more of the same put downs and condescension..." I am not putting you down. I may by a bit condescinding, but since you have yet to produce an argument of real substance, or address my substantive comment on your posts, I feel my condescension is warranted.
For example, when I said that evolution was not a collection of debunked attacks, you could have challenged that. That was substance, and you could have mounted a substantive challenge. You chose not to. That Ipresent substance and you ignore it, might be called by some "lying". I'm not calling you a liar. I don't have to, I'll leave the emptiness of your posts to speak for poster's intent.
The difference between my contempt and yours, is that I am providing an actual argument, and asking you to address it. You have not, and continue to not do so.
If you can't counter the argument, then I have no choice but to assume you agree. That is not condescension, that's basic logic.
Lets hear your hypothesis.
Please...
No. People have to be taught to do that and some people don't do it even then.
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