[Diamond]

However, there is a confluence here between the interests and goals of Muslims and ID/Creationists: They both share the same Fear and Loathing of Western Society and its Institutions and fervently wish to destroy it.

The Founding Fathers of this Country and their intellectual and spiritual predecessors were Creationists. I guess you mean that they, too, intended to destroy western civilization and their own Judeo-Christian institutions?

Cordially,

[USConstitutionBuff]

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823


I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart.

Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, Aug. 15, 1820

Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind.

-Thomas Jefferson to James Smith, 1822.

[USConstitutionBuff]

How do you reconcile the many materialistic statements of Thomas Jefferson, the Deist faith of Franklin (as stated in his autobiography he said of himself that he was a "thorough Deist"); with the ludicrous statement that our Founding Fathers were Creationists?

Do you actually believe it, and if so, what evidence do you have for it? Otherwise your just parroting empty propaganda devoid of substance or historic accuracy.

[DoctorMichael]

The Founding Fathers of this Country and their intellectual and spiritual predecessors were Creationists.

Not in the sense of the whack-job ID/Creationists. Did the Founding Fathers state that the Earth was ~6,000 years old? I must have missed that line in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution. Could you point it out to me?

I guess you mean that they, too, intended to destroy western civilization and their own Judeo-Christian institutions?

Not at all! The 'Scientific Method' is itself a part of Western Civilization along with a belief in a Deity from whom all things flow. What separates them from the evil ID/Creationists is the use of the Courts to force their uninformed and misguided views on others: They are tyrannical Totalitarians.

As for myself, I'll quote Jefferson: "I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."

Cordially