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Is this the "French Connection" we were looking for?
Self | 30 October, 2005 | Paperjam

Posted on 10/30/2005 8:38:05 AM PST by paperjam

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To: gondramB
I'm not trying to be argumentitive but asking a sincere question - if they were obvious forgeries why did President Bush reference them in the State of the Union?

{SIGH} Copying and Pasting the exact post you responded to, this time bolded:

"U.S. and U.K. intelligence agencies had extensive amounts of information on Iraq's intention's of purchasing Uranium"

If you are indeed sincere, with the limited amount of cognitive ability you publicly display i recommend you stay out of politics. Seriously.

141 posted on 11/01/2005 10:25:52 AM PST by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: gondramB

I apologize. My last comment was a little harsh.


142 posted on 11/01/2005 10:27:37 AM PST by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: chudogg

Since then I've gone back re-read the state of the union - if i had done that first I would not have asked that question.

Besides,who among us has not posted something in haste?


143 posted on 11/01/2005 10:32:28 AM PST by gondramB
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To: chudogg

Oh, and thank you for the apology..no harm, no foul.


144 posted on 11/01/2005 10:34:48 AM PST by gondramB
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To: okie01; paperjam; ravingnutter
I could swear that I read a report on FR that said that Wilson stopped and met with Jacqueline on his famous investigative trip. To me it was obvious he was acting as an agent against the US government under the "control" of his former spouse.

Does anybody remember the citation where he met with his former wife on that trip?

145 posted on 11/01/2005 10:42:11 AM PST by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free....)
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To: KC Burke; piasa
Haven't been able to find that info, but I found something interesting here. Scroll down to Saturday, Oct 11, 2003 - Joseph Wilson The Bongo Connection.

Key Phrases:

She is FARA-registered for Gabon - the Presidency itself: The registrant contacted U.S. Government officials on behalf of the foreign principal concerning Gabon's aids programs and travelled to central Africa concerning health issues. $8,000.00 for the six month period ending June 30,2002 Other outfits registered for Gabon declare far more generous rewards. And Bongo is the only client for which she is FARA-registered.

Neither Joseph Wilson nor his company is registered under the Foreign Agents Registration Act.

More at the link, some in French which I can't translate, we may need piasa's assistance on that part.
146 posted on 11/01/2005 11:57:22 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: NutCrackerBoy

"I wonder why France signed on" at the UN:

Maybe b/c US could prove the Italo/French forgery?
Maybe b/c Chirac is a very dirty boy, and we've got proof?
Didn't we learn many years ago that France sold nuclear secrets to Pakistan (and Syria? and Iran???)? Did Chirac supervise those deals? Wasn't Chirac in danger of prosecution (for what, I dunno) in France for some major corruption, recently? And he was sweating bullets before he got re-elected, b/c under French law, no current French official can be prosecuted? I bet we have the goods on him and wonder if that, too, is linked to the Oily Food Crimes.
The only refuge for Chirac, after his current office, would be to become some assinine 'crat in the emerging EuroThing- hence he was mortified that the people of France didn't OK the proposed EuroThing Constitution, or whatever they're calling it.


147 posted on 11/01/2005 12:45:51 PM PST by Anselma (MSM: leaders in Whirled News.)
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To: gondramB

I think those forged docs were an attempt to "pre-empt" the US' position that Iraq sought/bought nuclear materials in Africa/Niger. Isn't that what's called a "double blind"?
For example- you have a legitimate videotape of me robbing a bank, so I produce a tape showing almost the same thing, but in the end, either it shows it's not me afterall or it contains telltale signs that (my) videotape was faked, which casts considerable confusion and doubt on your videotape, especially to those - say, the public at large- who have no way to examine either tape.

I need to expand my spookese vocabulary! Surely there's a term for what I described? I dunno if "double blind" is correct.


148 posted on 11/01/2005 1:04:58 PM PST by Anselma (MSM: leaders in Whirled News.)
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To: paperjam

Paperjam- You do tremendous work.

A timeline of activities/public utterances might be very helpful, indeed, showing Wilson/Jaqueline Wilson/Plame/that Italian "reporter" guy/Tenet/ and maybe add: Kerry/Terry Kerry/Koffi Annan/Chirac. Paranoia may yet prove profitable. Or if not, at least fun. Someone else mentioned doing a timeline. Good idea. A namechase might be instructive, also. You're probably already on it.

I just read a bio of Scooter and it said he or his law firm represented- you'll never guess- Denise Rich, ex-wife of Marc Rich, the super-mysterious arms dealer, oil dealer bar none, and the guy Clinton pardoned in the wee hours- no pun intended- of his Presidency. I'd like to know what that case was all about. Strange bedfellows, it seems.

Also, Theresa Heinz Kerry , consultant to the UN, has been friends with Koffi Annan since they attended language school in Geneva. John Kerry, friend of the Frenchies, may be a useful idiot to the Oily Food people (or maybe a simple idiot) and there's just too many cross-references between Oily Foodies and WoeJoe Wilson to ignore.

Keep up your excellent digging.


149 posted on 11/01/2005 2:01:09 PM PST by Anselma (MSM: leaders in Whirled News.)
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To: KC Burke
I still have not been able to find anything on his wife, but I found this strange story:

Mr Chekou ought to have known, as they originated from Niger's Rome embassy when he was ambassador. But when I saw him at his home in a suburb of Niger's capital, Niamey, he claimed he knew nothing.

Western intelligence claims an "under-paid African diplomat" sold the forgeries to Italian intelligence for a few thousand dollars. The Italians were said to have passed the information to MI6, who passed it to the US, though Britain denies this, saying it did not see the fake documents until this year.

Source

Although some of this doesn't square with the story we have already, Martino claimed the documents came from the embassy, so the Chekou link to the Niger Embassy is interesting.

More:

Its eavesdropping work brought to light a hotline between Niger Ambassador Adamou Chekou (today advisor to Niger President Tandja Mamadou) and Iraqi diplomats in Rome, specifically with Wissam al-Zahawiah, Iraqi Ambassador to the Holy See.

Holy See? As in Vatican? Where Vincent Cannistraro is the security advisor? Hmmm...

Too bad I can't find anything on the other two, Chekou and Zahawiah, other than copies of this story.

150 posted on 11/01/2005 2:17:39 PM PST by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter
We have been speculating that this will all turn out to be a cabool within the CIA that wanted to stop the march to war against the Sadaam regime. However, what if that cabool played into the hands of a French agent that was "operating" her ex-husband and it turns out that the French have in essence turned a segment of the CIA?

Just, Damn.

151 posted on 11/01/2005 2:47:56 PM PST by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free....)
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To: Fedora; Verginius Rufus; Albertafriend; paperjam

RE: Jacqueline "C" Wilson

perhaps it's a typo, or mis-read off of a handwritten form - and should be a "G"?


152 posted on 11/01/2005 10:06:08 PM PST by iowamomforfreedom
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To: iowamomforfreedom

A typo is another thing I've considered. But even if that's it, what's still odd about it is that the name "Jacqueline Wilson" (with whatever middle initial) is associated with that address at all, since Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame bought the house, not Jacqueline Wilson.


153 posted on 11/02/2005 12:22:36 AM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora
According to the Who's Who entry, Joe and Jackie were married in 1986...so why was the NYT running a photo of their wedding in 1990? Was it a story about the crisis in Iraq in the run-up to Desert Storm? He was, as we have been told repeatedly, the last American diplomat to meet with Saddam before the Gulf War.

I wonder what kind of advice he was sending to Washington back then. Peace at any price?

154 posted on 11/02/2005 5:23:44 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

Yes, it was a story about the Gulf Crisis. It included the wedding photo with a caption as background, and probably to add a human interest angle to the story.

I don't know what advice he gave Washington, but his supervisor April Glaspie has been criticized for not being firm enough in delivering Washington's warnings to Saddam, and when Wilson speaks on Glaspie he defends her and speaks of trying to "correct" the historical record on her, which comes across as defending himself. It seems to be a sore spot for Wilson.


155 posted on 11/02/2005 3:36:51 PM PST by Fedora
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To: silverleaf; paperjam
Why doesn't wife #2 (Jacqueline?) appear in the "Who's Who" entry on Joe Wilson? For some reason, I can't copy it over, but the two wives listed are Susan Dale Otchis (w. 04/27/73; div. 1986) and Valerie Elise Plame (w. 04/03/98)?

(Here's the copyright info: "Copyright (c) 2002 by Reed Elsevier, Inc.")

Am I looking at a bad source? What am I missing here? TIA!
156 posted on 11/02/2005 5:56:07 PM PST by hummingbird (Think I'll google for a while.....on FRED THOMPSON for a seat on the SUPREME COURT!)
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To: Verginius Rufus
It's in the 1998 edition of Who's Who in America. Her name was removed in the next edition, after Wilson married Plame. I tried to post the entire entry as a new thread but for some reason the posting wouldn't take.

I tried posting the 2002 Joseph Wilson entry that I found and it wouldn't take, either...we might have to go to the actual...hardbound books (gulp)!

Wife #2 is not listed there, either. The name "Giorgi" is Italian, isn't it? Wonder if waybackmachine can find anything.....this is an interesting hunt, isn't it?!
157 posted on 11/02/2005 6:37:22 PM PST by hummingbird (Think I'll google for a while.....on FRED THOMPSON for a seat on the SUPREME COURT!)
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To: Fedora

bttt


158 posted on 11/02/2005 6:41:47 PM PST by nopardons
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To: hummingbird
I found the older editions of Who's Who in a library. Wife #2 (Jacqueline Marylene Giorgi) is listed until 1998 (married July 1, 1986--the previous marriage ended in 1986 as well). From 1999 on only the first wife and Valerie Plame are mentioned...it's as if the second marriage had never taken place. Joe and Valerie were married on April 3, 1998.
159 posted on 11/02/2005 7:11:23 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
Do you know if the listings are written by the individual or are there outside writers or editors responsible for the content in Who's Who? TIA.
160 posted on 11/02/2005 7:38:24 PM PST by hummingbird (Think I'll google for a while.....on FRED THOMPSON for a seat on the SUPREME COURT!)
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