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Prince Charles to plead Islam's cause to Bush
Telegraph ^ | October 29, 2005 | Andrew Alderson

Posted on 10/29/2005 3:32:33 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

The Prince of Wales will try to persuade George W Bush and Americans of the merits of Islam this week because he thinks the United States has been too intolerant of the religion since September 11.

The Prince, who leaves on Tuesday for an eight-day tour of the US, has voiced private concerns over America's "confrontational" approach to Muslim countries and its failure to appreciate Islam's strengths.

The Prince raised his concerns when he met senior Muslims in London in November 2001. The gathering took place just two months after the attacks on New York and Washington. "I find the language and rhetoric coming from America too confrontational," the Prince said, according to one leader at the meeting.

It is understood that Prince Charles did not - and does not - believe that the actions of 19 hijackers should tarnish the reputation of hundreds of millions of law-abiding Muslims around the world.

Khalid Mahmood, the Labour MP for Birmingham Perry Bar, was also at the meeting at St James's Palace. "His criticism of America was a general one of the Americans not having the appreciation we have for Islam and its culture," he said.

Mr Mahmood and other Muslims present stressed that Prince Charles did not go so far as to criticise the US-led invasion of Afghanistan in October 2001. More recently, he has been careful not to express his views on Iraq.

The Prince also spoke of his sympathy for America after the terrorist attacks that claimed the lives of almost 3,000 people. He said he wanted to promote better relations between the different religions of the world.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; bush; camzilla; charles; chucky; islam; princecharles; princeofwales; princeupchuck; rop; royals; royalvisit
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To: West Coast Conservative

I can think of a few merits of some of the middle East Islamic countries - they make very, very inviting targets for big bombs. When the game begins, they will unknowingly be choosing to receive.


241 posted on 10/29/2005 8:56:37 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: MadIvan
LOL! An excellent description, and thank you! When are they due to show up in DC?

I am interested in how fawning the Washington post will be.

242 posted on 10/29/2005 8:58:11 PM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Old Chuck should practice what he preaches ,and show the world how 'respectful' he is of Islam, by putting a burkha over his mare's ugly face.
Since when does the opinion of an ineffectual, dim-witted, wife-murdering( yes, I said it and I believe it!) result of inbreeding matter to us? It doesn't to me.
Wonder what he'd think of my opinion of the 'Royal Family'?


243 posted on 10/29/2005 8:58:54 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: MadIvan
Anyone who would state that they would enjoy going through life being Camilla Parker Bowles' tampon is not worthy of serious consideration.

What a wonderful use of formal English. One of the best reasons for prohibiting profanity on these threads is that if forces us to come up with really good, creative ways to put down despicable people. You've come up with one of the best I've seen in a long time.

244 posted on 10/29/2005 9:09:42 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: West Coast Conservative
He said he wanted to promote better relations between the different religions of the world.

Perhaps he should first work on relations between islam and other religions. It's just not very tolerant to decapitate other people for what they believe.

245 posted on 10/29/2005 9:10:35 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Diversity is divisive. E. Pluribus Unum (Out of many, one))
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To: West Coast Conservative

Take a good look at what this devil says.


Islamic spirituality and the decline of the West
From the Prince's speech, December 15, 1996

I start from the belief that Islamic civilisation at its best, like many of the religions of the East ­
Judaism, Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism ­ has an important message for the West in the way it has retained an integrated and integral view of the sanctity of the world around us. I feel that we in the West could be helped to rediscover the roots of our own understanding by an appreciation of the Islamic tradition's deep respect for the timeless traditions of
the natural order.

I believe that process could help in the task of bringing our two faiths closer together. It could also help us in the West to rethink, and for the better, our practical stewardship of man and his environment ­ in fields such as health-care, the natural environment and agriculture, as well as in architecture and urban planning.

Modern materialism is unbalanced and increasingly damaging in its long-term consequences. Yet nearly all the great religions of the world have held an integral view of the sanctity of the world. The Christian message with, for example, its deeply mystical and symbolic doctrine of the Incarnation, has been traditionally a message of the unity of the worlds of spirit and matter, and of God's manifestation in this world and in mankind.

But during the past three centuries, in the Western world at least, a dangerous division has occurred in the way we perceive the world around us. Science has tried to assume a monopoly ­ even a tyranny ­ over our under standing. Religion and science have become separated, so that now, as Wordsworth said, "Little we see in nature that is ours". Science has attempted to take over the natural world from God; it has fragmented the cosmos and relegated the sacred to a separate and secondary compartment of our understanding, divorced from practical, day to day existence.

We are only now beginning to gauge the disastrous results. We in the Western world seem to have lost a sense of the wholeness of our environment, and of our immense and inalienable responsibility to the whole of creation. This has led to an increasing failure to appreciate or understand tradition and the wisdom of our forebears, accumulated over the centuries. Indeed, tradition is positively discriminated against ­ as if it were some socially unacceptable disease.


In my view, a more holistic approach is needed now. Science has done the inestimable service of showing us a world much more complex than we ever imagined. But in its modern, materialist, one-dimensional form, it cannot explain everything. God is not merely the ultimate Newtonian mathematician or the mechanistic clockmaker. As science and technology have become increasingly separated from ethical, moral and sacred considerations, so the implications of such a separation have become more sombre and horrifying ­ as we see in genetic manipulation or in the consequences of the kind of scientific arrogance so blatant in the scandal of BSE.

I have always felt that tradition is not a man-made element in our lives, but a God-given intuition of natural rhythms, of the fundamental harmony that emerges from the union of the paradoxical opposites that exist in every aspect of nature. Tradition reflects the timeless order of the cosmos, and anchors us into an awareness of the great mysteries of the universe, so that, as Blake put it, we can see the whole universe in an atom and eternity in a moment.

That is why I believe Man is so much more than just a biological phenomenon resting on what we now seem to define as "the bottom line" of the great balance sheet of life, according to which art and culture are seen increasingly as optional extras in life.

This view is quite contrary, for example, to the outlook of the Muslim craftsman or artist, who is never concerned with display for its own sake, nor with progressing ever forward in his own ingenuity, but is content to submit a man's craft to God. That outlook reflects, I believe, the memorable passage in the Koran, "whithersoever you turn there is the face of God and God is all-embracing, all knowing". While appreciating that this essential innocence has been destroyed, and destroyed everywhere, I nevertheless believe that the survival of civilised values, as we have inherited them from our ancestors, depends on the corresponding survival in our hearts of that profound sense of the sacred and the spiritual.

Traditional religions, with their integral view of the universe, can help us to rediscover the importance of the integration of the secular and the sacred. The danger of ignoring this essential aspect of our existence is not just spiritual or intellectual. It also lies at the heart of that great divide between the Islamic and Western worlds over the place of materialism in our lives. In those instances where Islam chooses to reject Western materialism, this is not, in my view, a political affectation or the result of envy or a sense of inferiority. Quite the opposite.

And the danger that the gulf between the worlds of Islam and the other Eastern religions on the one hand and the West on the other will grow ever wider and more unbridgeable is real, unless we can explore together practical ways of integrating the sacred and the secular in both our cultures in order to provide a true inspiration for the next century.

Islamic culture in its traditional form has striven to preserve this integrated, spiritual view of the world in a way we have not seen fit to do in recent generations in the West. There is much we can learn from that Islamic world view in this respect.

There are many ways in which mutual understanding and appreciation can be built. Perhaps, for instance, we could begin by having more Muslim teachers in British schools, or by encouraging exchanges of teachers. Everywhere in the world people want to learn English. But in the West, in turn, we need to be taught by Islamic teachers how to learn with our hearts, as well as our heads. The approaching millennium may be the ideal catalyst for helping to explore and stimulate
these links, and I hope we shall not ignore the opportunity this gives us to rediscover the spiritual
underpinning of our entire existence.


246 posted on 10/29/2005 9:12:20 PM PDT by Tigen (Live in peace or rest in peace!)
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To: MadIvan

MadIvan, spot on!


247 posted on 10/29/2005 9:20:52 PM PDT by naden25 (If you can't feed, clothe, or house yourself.....don't have kids!)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Maybe we have been too tolerant of monarchies since 1776.


248 posted on 10/29/2005 9:25:55 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: MadIvan; All

Dont forget Ivan this what happen when Inbred Royals come to the Town they go crazy LOL!

God I hope ole Queen Betty live as long as her Mummy Queen Mum


249 posted on 10/29/2005 9:53:05 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("Not everybody in, it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"= Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: maggief; snugs; MadIvan; All

I love that photos that photo is funny

Pinging Ivan and Snugs on that photo


250 posted on 10/29/2005 10:03:36 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("Not everybody in, it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"= Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: frankjr
Yes, the British are doing a great job at keeping the Muslims happy.

All the book learning in the world doesn't necessarily mean the prince has or applies common sense. The monarchy is already on shaky ground in the UK and I'd venture to guess the citizens won't take kindly to appeasement tactics if there are further terrorist acts within the kingdom.

I do, however, agree with his stance that Muslims need to remove the death sentence and/or barbaric acts against people who have converted to Christianity or other religions. Chances Muslims will agree to such a concept - nada, zip, zero, zilch.

251 posted on 10/29/2005 10:27:21 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: West Coast Conservative
Right after that the inbred Charles can go visit the families of those three school girls in Indonesia who were beheaded by muslims while walking to school.
252 posted on 10/29/2005 11:34:17 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: MadIvan

How about St George Island? =)


253 posted on 10/29/2005 11:57:43 PM PDT by Levante
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To: West Coast Conservative
Prince Icabod is a buffoon.

The guy's got the neck and adam's apple of a turkey vulture with the common sense of a bag of hammers.

Nam Vet

254 posted on 10/30/2005 12:11:32 AM PDT by Nam Vet ("I was present at the birth of a political jihad.")
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To: West Coast Conservative

Please tell me this is a joke.


255 posted on 10/30/2005 12:30:05 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: jimbo123
Some of the Prince's favorite people:

Dopey Charles is just one of many useless European parasite royals who've done nothing while their nations succumb to the creeping devastation of Islam. The creepy Dutch royals are another example of this worthless band.

256 posted on 10/30/2005 12:52:09 AM PDT by dagnabbit (Vincente Fox's opening line at the Mexico-USA summit meeting: "Bring out the Gimp!")
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To: maxwellp

Ah yes, the Prince will talk to Bush about the wonders of Islam , the religion of peace.........
and in other news: Three teenage Christian girls were beheaded and a fourth was seriously wounded in a savage attack on Saturday


257 posted on 10/30/2005 1:17:34 AM PDT by binkdeville
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To: MadIvan


"I suppose we should encourage him to go somewhere like Pakistan"

Actually, more timely, I suggest that Prince Charles goes to New Delhi on his tour, and go down to the marketplace and tell the relatives of the latest bombing how Islam is a religion of peace, and that we should appreciate their beliefs more. I'm sure the Indians would be real receptive to his opinions right now. Don't you think?


258 posted on 10/30/2005 1:36:10 AM PDT by flaglady47
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To: West Coast Conservative

... and the horse he rode in on.


259 posted on 10/30/2005 1:37:48 AM PDT by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides ... and they have sided with the Islamofascists)
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To: MadIvan

Another article of Prince Charles and Camilla's phone conversation and friend's revelations about her:

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:rCr4XbNm77UJ:www.guardian.co.uk/monarchy/story/0,2763,1411940,00.html+Charles+said+he+would+like+to+%27live+inside+your+trousers%27,++tampon+&hl=en


260 posted on 10/30/2005 2:19:45 AM PST by Anita1 (You can't argue against the truth!)
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