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A Separate Peace (Peggy Noonan)
OpinionJournal.com ^ | October 27, 2005 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 10/26/2005 10:31:00 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn

America is in trouble--and our elites are merely resigned.

It is not so hard and can be a pleasure to tell people what you see. It's harder to speak of what you think you see, what you think is going on and can't prove or defend with data or numbers. That can get tricky. It involves hunches. But here goes.

I think there is an unspoken subtext in our national political culture right now. In fact I think it's a subtext to our society. I think that a lot of people are carrying around in their heads, unarticulated and even in some cases unnoticed, a sense that the wheels are coming off the trolley and the trolley off the tracks. That in some deep and fundamental way things have broken down and can't be fixed, or won't be fixed any time soon. That our pollsters are preoccupied with "right track" and "wrong track" but missing the number of people who think the answer to "How are things going in America?" is "Off the tracks and hurtling forward, toward an unknown destination."

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That's what I think is going on with our elites. There are two groups. One has made a separate peace, and one is trying to keep the boat afloat. I suspect those in the latter group privately, in a place so private they don't even express it to themselves, wonder if they'll go down with the ship. Or into bad territory with the trolley.

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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
our media institutions imploding--the spectacle of a great American newspaper, the New York Times, hurtling off its own tracks, as did CBS.

And she's saying this is a bad thing? What's wrong with this person? Doesn't she know the media has been the problem with decades. The implosion is the healthiest thing possible.

And she's affectionately reading about Christopher Lawford? Oh, for Pete's sake.

And can't she even spell "moat"?

41 posted on 10/27/2005 12:57:27 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Rokke
No, I don't think we have ever faced as many dangers as we face today. We could be facing a civil war (with a racial component between the major combatants absent from the last one), a nuclear attack (with no clear return address), and a major shooting war simultaneously, or nearly so. One of these events may spark another. Compounding these threats is a gov't that is by and large actively trying to destroy our rights, dilute American sovereignty, and depersonalize us. The "we" you speak of as muddling through is becoming weaker every day up against the array of forces set in opposition.

Do I know when or even *if* these possible dangers might materialize? No. I hope they never do. But denying their potential to do so, suddenly and terribly, seems to me unwise.

As for Peggy's focus on the "elite", just look at the behavior of the Republicans that have gone to D.C. as proof that a large majority of even our "own" elite (who largely control our national destiny) are primarily interested in their own welfare. How else can you explain the astonishing indifference (or actual abettment) towards illegal immigration, destructive spending (does the prescription drug benefit make "saving social security" or continuing to pay for the WOT more or less likely?) and unConstitutional law-making?

The arguments of Cassandras need to be critically addressed. But the same can be said for those of pollyannas.

42 posted on 10/27/2005 12:58:14 AM PDT by BushMeister ("We are a nation that has a government - not the other way around." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: TChad
Do you think that your grandkids would tell you once they reach the age of 18 that they would rather not have been born?

In 30 years, the USA will be a third world country. Ever been to Detroit?

My wife and I live in Western NC on Lake James (thank God), but when I travel to Detroit, Los Angeles, all I see is burned out cities. It is not going to get better.

I do not want to see my grand-kids living in environment like Somalia.

43 posted on 10/27/2005 1:28:02 AM PDT by Cobra64
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To: Jim Robinson
I too say Amen.

Unfortunately the huddled masses no longer yearn to breathe free.

They want sit on Uncle Sam’s lap and have him place pealed grapes in their mouth.

For the most part the pioneer spirit is gone from this land. The people who speak of “Civil Rights” know not of what they speak.

44 posted on 10/27/2005 1:59:39 AM PDT by Pontiac (Ignorance of the law is no excuse, ignorance of your rights can be fatal.)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
A White House is a castle surrounded by a mote ...

Those damn spell-checkers!

45 posted on 10/27/2005 2:20:35 AM PDT by JoeGar
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To: Cobra64

Well, OK. It's none of my business. But what if you are wrong in your prediction that the US will become a third world country in 30 years?

Also, I know that you are not talking about abortion here, but some women who have abortions make the same sort of argument. Life will be bad enough for the kid that it will be better if he is never born. My response is to propose that as good, pro-2nd amendment types, we conservatives offer to loan a loaded gun to the kid when he reaches 18, if the mother will just forego the abortion and let him survive until then. Is the mother better able to decide the value of her child's life, than the child himself will be at age 18? Of course not. What percentage of kids would then commit suicide with the gun? Very low. Most people choose living over dying, even in Somalia. Having kids is a gamble, but it's still the only game in town.

I have a feeling that this might offend you, and I don't intend it to. Again, this is none of my business. I just think that you are making an odd choice.


46 posted on 10/27/2005 2:25:50 AM PDT by TChad
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
This piece actually sums up all the main topics of discussion on this board so I don't understand the criticism.

We all use FR as a release, like shouting back at the television; but it hasn't changed many (any?) things.

Clinton rode out his eight years despite all the convincing evidence presented here to his malfeasance.

PC is rampant to the point of ridiculousness, etc.etc.

I'm 64 and for all the advances in the quality of life that I've seen from Jet passenger planes, medical technology and the Internet; I've seen the deterioration in Education, Drug use, an overwhelming increase in the Welfare Class and Crime against persons.

She is probably correct that the wheels are coming off everything in the context of her age and her life. But for those in their twenties,there's a new vehicle being built that absorbs all the change and benchmarks it for their life.

My youngest, at 22, will have the memory of the 2000s as one thing and the experience of 40 more years in her "trolley" and will probably write a similar article in 2040.

47 posted on 10/27/2005 2:27:55 AM PDT by leadhead (It’s a duty and a responsibility to defeat them. But it's also a pleasure)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
A Separate Peace (Peggy Noonan) -----

And to think ........... "A Seperate Peace" was a very good book.

48 posted on 10/27/2005 2:53:05 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Gloria Borger is Andrea Mitchell on Peyote)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
things are broken and tough history is coming

And to think ......... it is all being done consciously.

49 posted on 10/27/2005 2:55:08 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Gloria Borger is Andrea Mitchell on Peyote)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
I think those who haven't noticed we're living in a troubling time continue to operate each day with classic and constitutional American optimism intact. I think some of those who have a sense we're in trouble are going through the motions, dealing with their own daily challenges.

And some--well, I will mention and end with America's elites. Our recent debate about elites has had to do with whether opposition to Harriet Miers is elitist, but I don't think that's our elites' problem.

This is. Our elites, our educated and successful professionals, are the ones who are supposed to dig us out and lead us. I refer specifically to the elites of journalism and politics, the elites of the Hill and at Foggy Bottom and the agencies, the elites of our state capitals, the rich and accomplished and successful of Washington, and elsewhere. I have a nagging sense, and think I have accurately observed, that many of these people have made a separate peace. That they're living their lives and taking their pleasures and pursuing their agendas; that they're going forward each day with the knowledge, which they hold more securely and with greater reason than nonelites, that the wheels are off the trolley and the trolley's off the tracks, and with a conviction, a certainty, that there is nothing they can do about it.

I suspect that history, including great historical novelists of the future, will look back and see that many of our elites simply decided to enjoy their lives while they waited for the next chapter of trouble. And that they consciously, or unconsciously, took grim comfort in this thought: I got mine. Which is what the separate peace comes down to, "I got mine, you get yours."

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So very true!

50 posted on 10/27/2005 3:04:46 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Gloria Borger is Andrea Mitchell on Peyote)
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To: furquhart
Yes, I'm 59 and I smell big and terrible trouble very soon. Our government is too crooked and the rest of the world is no better.

To me, I feel our "officials" know it, it's too far gone, and they are really doing NOTHING to correct things.

And, to make it even worse, much of the destruction of America is a conscious ongoing effort.

51 posted on 10/27/2005 3:11:19 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Gloria Borger is Andrea Mitchell on Peyote)
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To: magellan
I too feel we are heading into a dark period, similar to the 1970s. Eerily similar.

much worse, imo.

52 posted on 10/27/2005 3:12:26 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Gloria Borger is Andrea Mitchell on Peyote)
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To: BushMeister
Great Post
53 posted on 10/27/2005 3:13:44 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Gloria Borger is Andrea Mitchell on Peyote)
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To: wildcatf4f3; Rokke
I think she has a good point no matter whose to blame. The fact that we allow disinformation, anti american propaganda and outright lies to be broadcast daily into the livingrooms of our citizens, many of whom have no understanding of the USA uniqueness or of historical factors that endanger us, that we let this happen shows that we have lost all real sense of self preservation. ----

Exactly right!

The old established/liberal/socialist media is America's most ruthless, relentless, and destructive enemy.

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54 posted on 10/27/2005 3:19:20 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Gloria Borger is Andrea Mitchell on Peyote)
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To: hsalaw; magellan
The 1970s were all peace and light compared to the 1870s. And yet we survived both, and now barely remember either, which makes us think each new day is worse than the last. Not true.

Wrong .............. different weapons and technology today! You, hsalaw, just don't see "the worse days" coming.

55 posted on 10/27/2005 3:22:18 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Gloria Borger is Andrea Mitchell on Peyote)
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To: Rokke; wildcatf4f3
You do realize that this has been going on for decades? And do you also realize that the mainstream media is currently spiraling down in a credibility tailspin that is actually gaining momentum every day? We "let" this happen because we are a nation based on freedom. And our free thinking population has taken icons like the New York Times, and dropped them in the crapper. Take a look at the blue and red 2004 election map. We aren't losing.

You're dreaming. Time will educate you.

56 posted on 10/27/2005 3:24:01 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Gloria Borger is Andrea Mitchell on Peyote)
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To: geopyg; Cobra64
A bit off topic but I remember talking with an old gal at church and said "I don't understand how kids can listen to that rap music". She said she the same thing about her kid's music, and her parents the same thing about HER music. I said "YOUR music?" She said she used to listen to Dorsey and the Big Band sound - her parents thought it was the Devil's music - not the symphony that they thought was REAL music!

Excuse me, but this kind of comparison is pure foolishness and only clouds reality!

57 posted on 10/27/2005 3:27:18 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Gloria Borger is Andrea Mitchell on Peyote)
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To: Ruth A.
Simple restraint and savings are traits this country no longer possesses on the the whole. Many sell their birthright for a pottage of earrings, gameboys, cellphones, fast food, etc. ---

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Thank you. Well said.

58 posted on 10/27/2005 3:28:14 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Gloria Borger is Andrea Mitchell on Peyote)
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To: wildcatf4f3; Rokke
we snear at the MSM , but for most of this country's population, they are the only source of news. underestimate them at your peril.

SO VERY TRUE.

It drives me nuts to hear FReepers proclaiming that the old lying socialist media is irrelevant, dying or dead. I sincerely wish that were true, but it is either complete foolishness or just wishful thinking!

It is true that the liberal newspapers are losing readers, it is also true that ABC, CBS, NBC, and the rest are losing viewership, but they still have the majority of influence over most Americans.

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The old established/liberal/socialist media is America's most ruthless, relentless, and destructive enemy.

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59 posted on 10/27/2005 3:35:14 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Gloria Borger is Andrea Mitchell on Peyote)
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To: BushMeister
The arguments of Cassandras need to be critically addressed. But the same can be said for those of pollyannas.

So true.

60 posted on 10/27/2005 3:37:41 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Gloria Borger is Andrea Mitchell on Peyote)
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