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To: Reagan Man
I don't vote for pro-choice liberals. Whether they're Rudi or the Beast.

(1) No Republican candidate is going to propose a constitutional amendment banning abortion, in today's political climate (I wish they would, but the realities of Washington says otherwise).

(2) Overturning Roe vs Wade does not eliminate abortions; It just returns the matter back to the states.

(3) Assuming he runs, Guilani may make a few statements saying he's opposed to abortion (to appease conservatives) but will say that any abortion proposal has to go through Congress anyway.

56 posted on 10/24/2005 11:18:27 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful or Fatal if Swallowed)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I draw the line. You can cross if you choose.


64 posted on 10/24/2005 11:24:58 AM PDT by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
3) Assuming he runs, Guilani may make a few statements saying he's opposed to abortion (to appease conservatives)

I have no doubt Rudy will find a focus group tested way to coopt some people into putting aside their principles to vote for him. I think he's the only pro-abort the GOP could nominate.

But I and many, many others, the voters (many of them independents) who will simply not vote for social liberals, the Catholics who voted Bush over 'Catholic' Kerry because of social issues, ain't gonna buy what Rudy's selling.

Look at the Pennsylvania senate race. You neutralize the social issues and all of a sudden Santorum's trailing by 15 points because the Reagan Democrats are no longer wedged into voting Republican.

Social conservatives are both the base of the GOP, and a large part of the foot soldiers who volunteer and turn out votes, and swing voters, who might be sympathetic to the Dems on other issues but vote Republican because of God, gays, guns, and abortion.

With Rudy you lose the support of both groups.

73 posted on 10/24/2005 11:29:43 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("She was appointed by a conservative. That ought to have been enough for us." -- NotBrilliant)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Ok, now tackle his gun-grabbing and his disgusting treatment of his wife. Let's see you justify his philandering after all the fuss the GOP made about Clinton's disgusting activities.

I will NEVER vote for Giuliani or McCain.


130 posted on 10/24/2005 12:23:27 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Must I use a sarcasm tag?)
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