[Grampa Dave]

"Ray Charles could have seen that coming!"

The problem is that most of the moderates in our E churches are really blind to this and amazingly a lot of conservatives are. Everyone is so hung up in the liberal don't be judgemental behavior, they don't want to see and recognize real evil.

[Redleg Duke]

We have the same problem in the ELCA. Nobody wants to be accused of being judgmental. Most see the danger but do nothing, "hoping things will get better".

Well, I have a 13-year old son and I am not going to do that. I made a stand and made a move, to the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, where the "progressives" feel oppressed.

"It's a good thing!"