[baseball_fan]

"Hanson sees the United States as sharing Athenian hubris and inviting nemesis by trying to export democracy to countries like Iraq and Afghanistan."

Is this Hanson - or Johnson the reviewer - talking?

[bubman]

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[Savage Beast]

"The fact that Hanson himself supports American policy gives his book an ironic twist."

The fact that the New York Times is a Leftist/crypto-Marxist/anti-American propaganda organ gives this article an ironic twist.

[fallujah-nuker]

Thanks for posting this, the Peloponnesian War is one of my favorite parts of history. I recall once having read a comparison to WW2, with Britain the democratic sea power as Athens. Nazi Germany the autocratic land power as Sparta, and the USSR as Macedon.

[Savage Beast]

Hanson's book is excellent. I love Thucydides, and Hanson does a very good job of relating the history of late 5th century Greece to the contemporary geopolitical situation.

"Enemies hated Athens as much for what it was as for what it did."*

How like America's enemies today.

"After Athenian envoys and the Spartan king Archidamus both offered sober and reasoned explanations of why war...was a bad idea, the dense ephor Sthenelaidas...shouted out a few slogans about Spartan pride and power. The Spartan military assembly then immediately voted for war. They seemed to be swayed...by emotion rather than reason"*

Swayed by emotion rather than reason--how like the decadent, anti-American Left.

Hanson, Victor Davis. A War Like No Other. New York: Random House, 2005, p. 15.

[Sam Hill]

"Hanson sees the United States as sharing Athenian hubris and inviting nemesis by trying to export democracy to countries like Iraq and Afghanistan."

Absolutely ridiculous.

Athens wanted tribute for providing the defense shield.

The parallel would be if we were shaking down our NATO members.

Whoever made this comparison is a moron.

[St.Chuck]

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[St.Chuck]

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[ThePythonicCow]

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[SunkenCiv]

A War Like No Other: How the Athenians and Spartans Fought the Peloponnesian War
New York Times | October 13, 2005 | William Grimes
Posted on 10/15/2005 4:22:57 PM PDT by Valin
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