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To: TheForceOfOne
The 9/11 terrorists all had Visa's and didn't cross either border in the dead of night. They came here in public view and lived among us without anyones notice.

Did you ever read any of the articles written about the visa applications of the 9/11 terrorists? This article (9/11 Terrorist Visa Applications) shows how slipshod we are in granting visas and the following are links to the actual visa applications of a few of the terrorists. This sure doesn't inspire me to have much faith in our government and its attendant bureaucracies.

Hani Hanjour, 1997
Hani Hanjour, 2000 (a)
Hani Hanjour, 2000 (b)
Waleed al-Sherhi, 2000
Wail al-Sherhi, 2000
Abdulaziz Alomari, 2001

Everyone has their own idea about how to fix the problem and fix it we must, but I don't believe that destroying a Republican president to make a point is the answer.

There is definitely enough blame to go around here, that's for sure, but after 30-some years of this non-action from Washington, all I know is that I do want to destroy something, I'm just not sure what (or who) to destroy!

66 posted on 10/23/2005 10:26:56 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: DumpsterDiver
Honestly, I haven't seen those articles you provided but I will be looking at them now.

I think to answer the other point you made, I would have to say what we keep doing is changing the manager (The president) of the baseball team ever four years while retaining all the players (The bureaucracy) and then wonder why we keep losing even when we think we have won.

Look at the 9/11 commission, or the gag put on the members of Able Danger. Its all about them, the bureaucrats and not us.

Politicians lie to us, the media lies to us, everyone lies to us for their own political benefit regardless of how it hurts us or the country in general.

I wrote a response to you and rewrote it twice trying to find the right words without sounding offensive to anyones position on the president.

I am among those who believe the politicians and the crony bureaucracy in Washington D.C. dictate what happens in most cases. They despise the president because he thumbs his nose at them. Clinton had many more friends in Washington because he was a slime ball and nothing was beneath him (except Monica) and back door politics were all to common.

I hear people say that the president has let them down and I understand their points. I don't believe that just voting for a more conservative president in '08 will solve the problem and it may leave many disappointed if they believe it is all we need to do.

I believe the president chose Miers for a number of reasons and one of those reasons is the political environment he lives in. I believe that in a different political environment, the president would have chosen different Supreme Court Justices.

I want to change things where I work but office politics no only prevents it from happening but it prevents it from being discussed without being ostracized.

If people want a president that responds closer to their desires they need to clean out the cronies who have made a career out of Washington politics. There is no good reason to have people like Ted Kennedy is office for all these years. We need term limits on all Washington politicians and bureaucrats.

It has taken a long time to create this damage to our country to date, and it will take a long time to fix it.

It is a difficult task to change what is wrong in Washington D.C. without destroying our ability to do so. If we divide ourselves we only weaken our chances and open the door for the real enemies of this country, the liberals and their hate filled ideology.

I put no faith in polling data or political pundits, each has motives and personal gain at heart. Most pundits are friends off camera and only turn it on for the camera, its disgusting if you think about it.

Every time the president makes a decision on economic policy, border security, the SCOTUS, etc. you can be sure the Washington bureaucrats aren't far behind pushing their own agenda.

If this sound like BS just say so, I don't mind and I don't consider myself an expert on politics. I just want to step back far enough to see the whole picture without pointing the finger at one person as if that will somehow fix the problem.
89 posted on 10/23/2005 9:23:57 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne
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