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School cancels prom "orgy"
AP ^ | October 17, 2005 | Frank Eltman

Posted on 10/17/2005 7:21:55 AM PDT by Millee

Brother Kenneth Hoagland had heard all the stories about prom-night debauchery at his Long Island high school: students putting down $10,000 to rent a party house in the Hamptons; pre-prom cocktail parties followed by a trip to the dance in a liquor-loaded limo; fathers chartering a boat for their children's late-night "booze cruise."

Enough was enough, Hoagland said. So the principal of Kellenberg Memorial High School canceled the spring prom in a 2,000- word letter to parents.

"It is not primarily the sex/booze/drugs that surround this event, as problematic as they might be; it is, rather, the flaunting of affluence, assuming exaggerated expenses, a pursuit of vanity for vanity's sake - in a word, financial decadence," Hoagland said, fed up with what he called the "bacchanalian aspects."

"Each year, it gets worse - becomes more exaggerated, more expensive, more emotionally traumatic," he added. "We are withdrawing from the battle and allowing the parents full responsibility. (The school) is willing to sponsor a prom but not an orgy."

The move brought a mixed, albeit passionate, reaction from students and parents at the Roman Catholic school, which is owned by the Society of Mary (Marianists), a religious order of priests and brothers.

"I don't think it's fair, obviously, that they canceled prom," said senior Alyssa Johnson of Westbury. "There are problems with the prom, but I don't think their reasons or the actions they took solved anything."

Hoagland began talking about the future of the prom last spring after 46 Kellenberg seniors made a $10,000 down payment on a $20,000 rental in the Hamptons for a post-prom party. When school officials found out, they forced the students to cancel the deal; the kids got their money back, and the prom went on as planned. But some parents went ahead and rented a Hamptons house anyway, Hoagland said.

Amy Best, an associate professor of sociology and anthropology at George Mason University in Virginia and the author of "Prom Night: Youth, Schools and Popular Culture," said this is the first time she has heard of a school canceling the prom for such reasons.

"A lot of people have lamented the growing consumption that surrounds the prom," she said, noting it is not uncommon for students to pay $1,000 on the dance and surrounding costs: expensive dresses, tuxedo rentals, flowers, limousines, pre- and post-prom parties.

Edward Lawson, the father of a Kellenberg senior, said he and other parents are discussing whether to organize a prom without the sponsorship of the 2,500- student school.

"I don't think they have a right to judge what goes on after the prom," he said. "They put everybody in the category of drinkers and drug addicts."

Some parents picking up their children on a recent afternoon said they support Hoagland.

"The school has excellent values," said Margaret Cameron of Plainview, N.Y. "We send our children here because we support the values and the administration of the school, and I totally back everything they do."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: New York
KEYWORDS: catholicschools; longisland; ny; prom
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To: DTogo

I know just such a parent....a single mom who describes her daughter as "doable".....as soon as I heard her use that description, I ended our friendship...


81 posted on 10/17/2005 7:54:20 AM PDT by NRA1995 (When liberals speak I hear the Vonage music playing.....woo-hoo, woo-hoo-hoo....)
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To: conservonator

in short - yep.


82 posted on 10/17/2005 7:54:26 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: camle
if it IS a catholic school in more than name only, wouldn't it be more concerned with the moral issues and the law violations than in what one does with one's own money?

Until posted otherwise I have no reason to doubt it is a good Christian school that presents certain moral values. A concern, and value, besides the sex/drugs/booze is that of money. Love of money is the root of the evil. If you don't have money, except for sex, you won't very well have access to the avenue of the other things will you? And in today's day and age, money is even required (in a roundabout way) for access to sex as well. Just my two cents

However, I believe if you read the March letter on their website, you should be able to see what the pastor was talking about as it pertains to money

83 posted on 10/17/2005 7:54:53 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: ElkGroveDan

The flaunting of affluence is a greater moral sin than individual hedonist behaviors. It fundamentally refuses the acceptance of the reality that all things belong to God, not us, and we are merely caretakers of them. When we use those gifts for nothing but our own selfishness and greed, we defy everything that is right.

It is not that individual hedonistic behaviors are right, however failings of the flesh are less of a sin that failings of the spirit.


84 posted on 10/17/2005 7:55:04 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Millee
>"It is not primarily the sex/booze/drugs that surround this event, as problematic as they might be; it is, rather, the flaunting of affluence, assuming exaggerated expenses, a pursuit of vanity for vanity's sake - in a word, financial decadence"

"Oh, dude, they just killed
the prom!"     "That's harsh! Hey, ya want
to get Heather and

Ashley and fly to
Bermuda for the weekend?"
"Dude, that is rockin'!"

85 posted on 10/17/2005 7:55:12 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: milford421

True.

I still think the money argument is a bad one - he is correct on the morality. The morality aspect is more than reason enough to cancel the event.


86 posted on 10/17/2005 7:55:12 AM PDT by GOPRaleigh (Liberals - who needs 'em.)
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To: HamiltonJay

Well said.


87 posted on 10/17/2005 7:56:16 AM PDT by milford421
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To: Millee
Its always difficult when an adult FINALLY steps into a situation where children have taken over. The school not only has a right but a responsibility to reestablish what the school will and will NOT put up with. The fact that the parents are upset would suggest that while they are obviously wealthy, they certainly are not wise.
88 posted on 10/17/2005 7:56:54 AM PDT by mad puppy ( The Southern border needs to be a MAJOR issue in 2006 and 2008)
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To: wideawake

i think that someone who gives a wink-wink nod-nod to sinfulbehavior whilst complaining about what someone does with their money IS a jerk.

I am entitled to my opinion. And the free expression thereof.

and obiously he didn't do a good job of imparting Christian values if sex/booze/drugs is a problem.


89 posted on 10/17/2005 7:57:01 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: Millee
These are the filthy rich white liberals that are spoiled to the core and as a means of repentance they show their guilt by attacking social conservatives and support the racist doctrines pushed by the various lefties like PUSH, JJ, NOW, LaMecha, GBLT, etc. so that they so can proudly say that they understand the downtrodden. Make no mistake it the sororities and fraternities which are the biggest supporters for the leftest causes.
90 posted on 10/17/2005 7:57:49 AM PDT by sasafras ("Licentiousness destroyes order, and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom.)
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To: Eagle Eye

i didn't say that ehe did the wrong thing - I just think that, if the article's slant is correct, that he did it for the wrong reasons.

if his major problem was the behavior, then why mention other aspects?


91 posted on 10/17/2005 7:58:27 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: camle

i think that the principal is probably just stating that the school's attempts to keep the prom as booze/dope/sex-free as possible, cannot possibly compete with parents who have the financial means to circumvent any strictures that the school may put upon the event. so rather than be associated with it, they decided to cancel it. i laud him for it. my daughter attends an all girls catholic prep school, and i see parents, like those featured in this piece, all the time.


92 posted on 10/17/2005 7:58:51 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: GOPRaleigh

"The morality aspect is more than reason enough to cancel the event."

True.

I believe the letter written to the parent's is on the school website, as noted by a previous poster.


93 posted on 10/17/2005 7:59:46 AM PDT by milford421
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To: dsc
He's saying that spending money on a party and showing off is worse than the drugs/booze/sex. This just sounds like something from the rat agenda.
94 posted on 10/17/2005 7:59:57 AM PDT by varyouga (Reformed Kerry voter (I know, I'm a frickin' idiot))
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To: Millee

"School cancels prom "orgy""

Maybe the parents can get the Minnesota Vikings to arrange a Prom Cruise?


95 posted on 10/17/2005 8:00:12 AM PDT by BadAndy (Stuck on "Smart Ass")
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To: ElkGroveDan
Ah! there we have it. Moral depravity is fine as long as the Capitalists stay home.

Read the two letters for the whole statement and story, then I think you will rethink your statement.

96 posted on 10/17/2005 8:01:17 AM PDT by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: BlueStateDepression

Hey this might be an idea for a Pimp Daddy reality show.

Prom Party Gone Wild

Sounds like a money maker.


97 posted on 10/17/2005 8:01:29 AM PDT by MudSlide
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To: yarddog

Senior photos have become just as ridiculous. Students or parents want to spend a thousand dollars on photos that would make anyone cringe in a few years. Yes they will all be hidden away soon enough, but they all compete for buying the expensive photo of the not-ready-for-prime-time geeky gawky kid.


98 posted on 10/17/2005 8:01:41 AM PDT by sine_nomine (CBS' Mary Mapes: "It dawned on me that I was present at the birth of a political jihad.")
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To: varyouga
He's saying that spending money on a party and showing off is worse than the drugs/booze/sex. This just sounds like something from the rat agenda.

Read the two letters posted on the school website, then I think you will change your mind. Haven't we learned that the AP is not reliable by now?

99 posted on 10/17/2005 8:02:20 AM PDT by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: Mr. Blonde
I wish my principal had canceled prom. That is the most worthless non-event in the world. It serves no purpose other than to spend a lot of money to be in uncomfortable clothes.

believe it or not, as a homeschooler, one of the most often asked, stupid questions i get is: "what about prom? your kids won't be able to go to prom?!"

100 posted on 10/17/2005 8:02:34 AM PDT by latina4dubya
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