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To: Allen H

Listen, think whatever you want to think, it's your right, as it is mine to think whatever I think.

Yet, the fact remains that in politics, the term "Republican" is associated with membership in, and loyalty to, a political Party.

If that loyalty can be swayed, for whatever reason you wish to use to excuse the fact that you can be swayed away from voting for the Party's candidate, then, even with all your qualifications listed, you are a Republican in name only.

It's a bitter pill to swallow, but it is the truth.

Let me give you a great example...

No one who walked away from the GOP and voted for Perot can honestly call him or herself a Republican...fact.

Those who did, accomplished nothing more than facilitating a victory by the DNC, and eight years of Bill Clinton. NO one who does that can claim the title of Republican.

It's like being part of a family; you can't consider yourself a member of that family when times are great, but refuse to acknowledge the fact that you're part of it when you find out that Crazy Aunt Hildy fell off the wagon one more time and she's back chasing the bag boys at the Piggly Wiggly, Cousin Bobby is back in jail for his "peculiar habit", and your twin nieces are doing their amateur video camera gig with Uncle Harvey again.

You're either in, or you are out, and whatever ails the family, you stay in and fix.

You can't fix it by leaving it, so if you decide to pull out of the Party because you don't like the current candidate, you go right ahead...just don't call yourself a Republican when you return.

The real Republicans are those who stayed behind and fixed the Party while you were gone, facilitating your return.


335 posted on 10/17/2005 7:53:39 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"Listen, think whatever you want to think, it's your right, as it is mine to think whatever I think. "

You can "think" whatever you want, but your wrong. I'm not talking about what I "think". I'm talking about what I KNOW is FACT in reality. A RINO is someone who says they're a Republican, as a vehicle to get elected, even though they do not support the Republican plank, and actually oppose much or most of it. THAT is a RINO. Like I said I've been registered Republican since I was 18, and if all the Republicans who voted for Perot had voted for Bush 41, clinton wouldn't have been President, since he didn't even get 48% of the vote in 92. But a voter who is a registered Republican who supports a REAL conservative Republican, instead of some liberal running as a Republican, like chaffee or snowe or spector, is not a RINO. It's someone supporting the most important ideal of real conservatism. The convictions and ideals of conservative ideology above a party name. Brainless voting of the party line is the democrat constituency. Not the Republican constituency. It’s silly that you continue to argue this. You are just flat wrong in what you’re saying. Voting Republican no matter who is running, even if they don’t represent most of the Republican plank, isn’t something to be proud of. It demonstrates a total lack of independent thinking, which is the case with many democrat voters who just vote the big "D" every time the party masters tell them to do so. That is NOT how the Republican party is. The fact that Republican voters will not prop up fake phony liberals running as a Republican is the safety mechanism for when the RNC fails to make sure that those running as Republicans actually support and believe in the party plank. Your suggestion that a liberal running as a Republican is more important to be loyal to than the Republican party plank itself is silly. If someone doesn’t support at least most of the Republican party plank then they have no business running as a Republican, and it’s the voters RESPONSIBILITY to make sure that milk toast liberals don’t take over the party by posing to be Republicans. There are too many liberal Republicrats as it is. Six at least in the Senate, dozens in the House. TOO MANY!

What I’m wondering is, how can you really be a real conservative if you think that registered Republicans are obligated to vote for a particular Republican even if that person doesn’t support the Republican plank and is nothing more than a liberal democrat who just changed parties, not beliefs. THAT is brainless. You really need to do some self-analysis on this. Your facts are wrong, and your arguments defies all logic. What is RIGHT and CORRECT based on FACT and CONVICTION and CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES MUST come before some party loyalty. THAT is the bedrock foundation of real conservatism. And in case you didn’t know it, The Christian conservative movement is what brought about the Republican majority. NOT the liberal democrat migration to the Republican party without changing ideals. If it wasn’t for the Christian conservative movement in this country becoming politically active, the Republicans would still be a minority in the House and Senate. Instead of just telling me to think what I want, prove me wrong on any of these points I have made. You are just flat wrong and you know it. This is not about different thought. This is about you putting up an incorrect premise and trying to state that it is as right as any others because it’s what you think. That’s a complete and total CROCK! You’re wrong. Period.

369 posted on 10/19/2005 10:11:50 AM PDT by Allen H (An informed person, is a conservative person. Remember 9-11,God bless our military,Bush,& the USA!)
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