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Baby-killing case against daughter shocks dad (Left her baby to die in alley behind a bar)
The Billings Gazette ^ | 10/15/05 | LANCE BENZEL

Posted on 10/16/2005 1:21:23 PM PDT by wagglebee

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“If I could say something that would enlighten things, I would do that,” Terry Ashcraft said outside his home Friday. “All I can really say about it is this: I love her. She's one hell of a good kid, and I'm puzzled. I don't understand it.”

His daughter is not a "good kid," she is a selfish and amoral murderer.

1 posted on 10/16/2005 1:21:27 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: little jeremiah; DirtyHarryY2K

Moral absolutes ping.


2 posted on 10/16/2005 1:22:08 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Most likely a product of either a home where little or no ethical/moral/religious teaching took place, or brainwashed by public schooling or a mix of the two. Now there's a dead baby, along with a woman with a dead conscience. More nightmares to come for this family.


3 posted on 10/16/2005 1:26:08 PM PDT by john drake (roman military maxim: "oderint dum metuant, i.e., let them hate, as long as they fear")
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To: wagglebee

How odd. He hasn't seen or spoken to her for three years, yet he feels competent to tell us she's a "good kid." Utter nonsense. This is not worth reading, frankly.


4 posted on 10/16/2005 1:26:11 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: wagglebee

His daughter is not a "good kid," she is a selfish and amoral murderer.

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Seriously. She has no excuse, in these days of abortion on demand along with the CA Law of being able to abandon your baby, no strings attached. Yech.


5 posted on 10/16/2005 1:27:03 PM PDT by BamaGirl (The Framers Rule!)
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To: wagglebee
His daughter is not a "good kid," she is a selfish and amoral murderer.

A little compassion here.. if she had what the article described as a "medically unattended delivery", she was probably in agony for hours, scared out of her mind, and desperate as hell.

My main question is where were her friends? Where were the other adults is her life that had to have noticed her condition? Women under the best of circumstances have often found childbirth a harrowing and painful experience, much more so if a kid was alone and terrified.

There is way more to this story here, and I don't think any of it will reflect well on her friends and family...

6 posted on 10/16/2005 1:27:40 PM PDT by podkane
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She was in college, I'm sure the University of Southern California has a top-notch health clinic with doctors more than capable of delivering a baby. Make any excuse you want, it was her selfishness that caused this, the only compassion I feel is for her murdered child.


7 posted on 10/16/2005 1:31:05 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

I said it before and Ill say it again

ONE OF THE WORST THINGS IS THAT THERE ARE SO MANY LOVING AND KIND PEOPLE WHO WANT BABIES AND CANT HAVE EM BUT GARBAGE LIKE THIS CAN PLOP EM OUT

She had an out if she would have just took it to a hospital but she couldnt be bothered...burn the b***h

Next time use some birth control


8 posted on 10/16/2005 1:31:13 PM PDT by skaterboy (Be good)
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To: podkane

A little compassion here.. if she had what the article described as a "medically unattended delivery", she was probably in agony for hours, scared out of her mind, and desperate as hell.

Gee if only there was like hospitals or something she could have went too


9 posted on 10/16/2005 1:32:47 PM PDT by skaterboy (Be good)
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To: wagglebee
She's one hell of a good kid

She's one *itch on her way to hell.

10 posted on 10/16/2005 1:34:45 PM PDT by Alouette (Islam gives terrorism a bad name.)
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So Ashcraft was as shocked as anyone when he learned of the allegations against Holly Ashcraft - a pretty honor roll graduate of West High who reportedly attended USC on a full scholarship.

“If I could say something that would enlighten things, I would do that,” Terry Ashcraft said outside his home Friday. “All I can really say about it is this: I love her. She's one hell of a good kid, and I'm puzzled. I don't understand it.”


YAWWWWNNNNN ... Isn't that how they describe the majority of schizophrenic murderers?
Yeah, she's a "good kid" and of course she is brilliant ... an "honor roll student". I suppose I am supposed to be impressed with that. Denial is NOT a pretty thing ... .
11 posted on 10/16/2005 1:35:39 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Kermit the Frog Does theWatusi

Separation of Church and Reality crowd ping.

Let's hear the smarmy skanky liberal jargon again about how
"you can't legislate morality." [IRONY]

12 posted on 10/16/2005 1:36:32 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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"How odd. He hasn't seen or spoken to her for three years, yet he feels competent to tell us she's a "good kid." Utter nonsense. This is not worth reading, frankly."

I missed that ... yeah for three years he had NO time for her. I'm sure he knows her VERY WELL.

LOL!!!


13 posted on 10/16/2005 1:38:35 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: podkane

The compassion should be reserved for the child. The mother deserves condemnation for a brutal act of fanticide.


14 posted on 10/16/2005 1:39:14 PM PDT by gpapa (Boost FR Traffic! Make FR your home page!)
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To: skaterboy
"A little compassion here.. if she had what the article described as a "medically unattended delivery", she was probably in agony for hours, scared out of her mind, and desperate as hell."

It only serves to make her all the more despicable. Plenty of opportunity to get help or change her mind. Instead she was all the more determined to get rid of it hoping no one would know.
15 posted on 10/16/2005 1:40:36 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: podkane

She wasn't a kid- she was 21 years old, an adult by any standard. She was in Los Angeles, where she had many options. She could have left the baby at a safe haven, anything. Instead she murdered her newborn baby- how could she do it while holding her own child in her arms, a living, breathing being I will never understand.


16 posted on 10/16/2005 1:42:01 PM PDT by LWalk18
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To: wagglebee
Let's see...absent father...amoral, murdering daughter.

Yup...real "human interest" angle here.

17 posted on 10/16/2005 1:43:27 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: wagglebee

If he loves her so much, why hasn't he spoken to her in over three years?


18 posted on 10/16/2005 1:45:42 PM PDT by Hildy ( liberals cannot change the present, and cannot effect the future, so they MUST relive the past...)
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To: wagglebee
40 million + murdered since Roe V Wade.... Why would a young person today have a conscience about doing in a baby who would only 'ruin' her life?....

Had she had paid the professional killers to do the pre born child in...she would have no problems...

19 posted on 10/16/2005 1:48:13 PM PDT by joesnuffy
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Just an incredibly sad story for all involved, but this precious baby did NOT have to die in an alley behind a bar, this lady had so many options available to her.


20 posted on 10/16/2005 1:48:52 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (I support President Bush, and I support our troops!!!)
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