OU student left suicide message

The Oklahoman ^ | Sun October 16, 2005 | Nolan Clay

[Palladin]

That Congresman Cole came across as a big phony. Everything was a "coincidence" he said--all the various connections with Al Quada terrorists that have been noted on these threads. "All coincidences", he ranted.

How long has this guy been a congressman? Was he their rep when the OKC bombings occurred?

[AmericanDave]

Just like Kennedy at Chappaqudic (sic), sealed means immagine the worst, it's true!

[El Gato]

The younger Hinrichs had a long fascination with ammunition and bombs, his relatives and friends said. Inside his bedroom in Norman were several used metal artillery shells -- the largest about 2 feet long. He had belts of used brass shell casings, a box of spent bullets and military ammo containers.

And again, jmust like Columbine, shouldn't the parents have known something odd was going on?

What's odd about having used brass and/or spent bullets (or one wonders the more common "dummy" rounds). If they locked up FReepers for stuff like that, this site would be mighty quiet.

[AmericanDave]

Didn't Vince Foster leave a computer note? oh that's with the WH video tapes..... LOL.

[HoustonCurmudgeon]

How in the world did you get that from a post I made telling a guy he should read the damn article and think before posting?

[RegulatorCountry]

"How in the world did you get that from a post I made telling a guy he should read the damn article and think before posting?"

Get what? I merely responded to your reply, which contained the following:

"Unlike FReepers the FBI doesn't run out and proclaim everything that springs into their minds the minute it pops up."

And, my response to this quote from your reply was:

"Unlike immediately running out and claiming that this was a "lone suicide," despite Hinrichs having attempted to purchase ammonium nitrate a few days prior, despite his having blown himself up with a backpack filled with TATP outside a stadium filled with 84K or so people, and having a cache of explosive materials in his apartment?"

Makes perfect sense to me. At what point does your confusion arise?

[El Gato]

Actually, the night it happened, they announced almost immediately that there was no suicide note. They were sure quick to proclaim the absence of a note--but a little late in backtracking, it seems.

Exactly, they said there was no note, now they say the computer was on when they searched the apartment (which was the day after the event) and the computer was on with the note on it, and the cursor still blinking.

Plus the fact that the roommate had to have not noticed all those explosives, smell and all. So much stuff that it took hours to remove it (Not almost 24 hours though, the warrant was served early Sunday morning, the bomb trailer was observed to make several trips, and the stuff was blown up sometime shortly after 9 PM Sunday night.

[Squantos]

http://www.parascope.com/gallery/galleryitems/fosternote.htm

Nope !.......:o)

[El Gato]

tinfoil aside, was this in Notepad, Wordpad, MS Word, was it at a DOS-prompt?

All of them have a blinking cursor, at least mine do, I just checked.

[RegulatorCountry]

"Plus the fact that the roommate had to have not noticed all those explosives, smell and all."

I've brought up the smell, as you and several others have. It's considered enough of a "tell" that there have been warnings to watch out for people acting suspiciously and wearing too much cologne to cover up the odor.

But, nothing here. Did you catch the story in San Diego, where a strong, odd smell was detected OUTSIDE a condo, and when police knocked on the door to investigate, the guy killed himself? Upshot of my mentioning that is, neighbors would have known, not just the roomate, Cheema.

[Rte66]

Ha ha, it's "Heartland." FNC doesn't even recognize it when I put it in their own on-site search engine, looking for a transcript tonight.

"Heartland" will always remind me of the nauseating theme music and logo treatment the national nets gave to the OKC bombing "Terror in the Heartland" dunh-dunh-dah-dunh!

[El Gato]

Then why not OD or slit your wrists? Strapping a bomb to yourself and blowing yourself up near a football stadium... several blocks from your home, just doesn't add up.

I can see wanting to go out with a bang. But there are open areas, with buildings or people, much closer to his apartment than the far side of the OU football stadium. (Far side from his apartment, which is east of the stadium, while he punched out on the west side.)

[HoustonCurmudgeon]

My confusion comes because I was talking with a guy who had made a post questioning why the suicide note would still be on the computer at this late date. I pointed out that perhaps he might want to actually read the article that said the note was there when the FBI arrived. Anything else you find there, proves my point about those who go off without the necessary information or facts.

[Rte66]

For that matter, any other day and the stadium itself is empty in the middle of it, if you want a big open space!

[El Gato]

I don't know all the ins and outs of computers, but it really wouldn't be possible to tell if the roommate wrote it after the fact, or even if the FBI did

If it was in a word processor, like Word, WordPad or Notepad, and if the file had been saved, then there would be a time stamp on the file. If it was just an open window, there still might be one on the temporary file the program creates with a new document, or even when you open an existing document/file.

[RegulatorCountry]

"Anything else you find there, proves my point about those who go off without the necessary information or facts."

I can only respond by reminding you of your own statement:

"Unlike FReepers the FBI doesn't run out and proclaim everything that springs into their minds the minute it pops up."

In case you hadn't noticed, you are a "FReeper, too. And, my response to this quote from your reply was:

"Unlike immediately running out and claiming that this was a "lone suicide," despite Hinrichs having attempted to purchase ammonium nitrate a few days prior, despite his having blown himself up with a backpack filled with TATP outside a stadium filled with 84K or so people, and having a cache of explosive materials in his apartment?"

It is a comparison, between your disparaging comment about FReepers in general, and the behavior of "authorities" on this case. It's quite logical, IMHO. Do you have the necessary information or facts, in order to realize this, now?

[El Gato]

Unless, of course, one believes that a typical American youth would commit suicide by sitting outside a stadium with explosives in a backpack and not with guns, knives, pills, bridge jumping or a car crash.

He was 21, it's not like he couldn't have driven that Town Car to the nearest pawn shop or gun store, bought a gun and ammunition, and still gone out with a bang, just not such a big one.