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The trouble with men
Spectator ^ | Issue: 15 October 2005 | Molly Watson

Posted on 10/13/2005 7:02:45 AM PDT by Eurotwit

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To: Tax-chick

You are reading way more into it. I took it no different than any other little cutesy-pie name. I know people who use the term "poop" or "poopy" as a love-name. My son was "little dude" to my brother and also "pal." I always thought "pal" was so cute. Brits are big on nick-names and the like....


61 posted on 10/13/2005 8:12:59 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: grellis

You don't understand. A man has to give up his life for the marriage. That means he doesn't buy a bass boat instead of school supplies just because he wants a bass boat. He doesn't spend nights and weekends working on his race car instead of spending time with his wife and family. He doesn't hang out with his crumb bachelor friends so they won't accuse him of being "whipped". That's what we did as bachelors. That behavior has to die.

Men have a VERY hard time with this. They think their pride should come before the marriage. The man should emulate what Christ did for the church. Jesus didn't exactly give up a night of bowling for the church.


62 posted on 10/13/2005 8:13:51 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Bookwoman; misterrob
If women would quit opening up their legs to every guy that walked by then they would have much more power in choosing men with quality and family values.

Well, yes, but it won't work unless all women close their legs. As long as a lot of women are willing to have sex without marriage, the nice women who say "No" will hear their dates say "Bye," in response.

A hundred years ago almost all women said "No" until they had a ring. If a man wanted to have regular sex, he had to get married. His only alternative would be to pay for sex, which meant he stood a good chance of contracting incurable syphilis, with certain insanity and death. If he wanted his own house, a decent lifestyle, AND regular sex, he got married. Consequently the average man got married early.

Today it's different. Women stopped saying "Not until we're married" or "Not until we're engaged" in the 1960s. As long as there's all that available sex out there, men have no motivation to get married. And the woman who says no may find herself alone for good. So abstaining is not going to work as a way of luring men back to marriage until everyone agrees to it, which would require a return to Judeo-Christian values large segments of our society have pretty much abandoned.

63 posted on 10/13/2005 8:16:37 AM PDT by Fairview
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To: netmilsmom; Tax-chick
Here's to FReeper matches. And to having good conservative children from them.

Gee can I still be a candidate for a FReeper match even if its too late for the chillin's?

64 posted on 10/13/2005 8:17:21 AM PDT by apackof2 (There's two theories to arguin' with a woman. Neither one works. Will Rogers)
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To: Paved Paradise

Yes, I understand there are cultural differences. Nonetheless, my impression from the article (only source of information available) is that the writer does not really wish to care for children.


65 posted on 10/13/2005 8:19:33 AM PDT by Tax-chick (When bad things happen, conservatives get over it!)
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To: Tax-chick
I think a person who refers to children as "little brutes" is starting off with the wrong attitude. But then, when I pick up my almost-2-year-old after his nap, I tell him, "I missed you while you were asleep, James!" Could just be different personalities.

I think it's just a British way of writing. The Brits say all kinds of awful things like that as a form of humor but they're still very loving parents.

BTW, just wait 'til James is three, you'll be thrilled to have thirty minutes of peace while he naps! ;-)

66 posted on 10/13/2005 8:20:11 AM PDT by Fairview
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To: Sun Soldier
Could this be God's/Nature's way of giving us a much needed reduction in the population?

That's the avian flu pandemic.

67 posted on 10/13/2005 8:21:10 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: apackof2

I'm sure there are other FReepers in your situation ... you just need to find the right ones!


68 posted on 10/13/2005 8:21:19 AM PDT by Tax-chick (When bad things happen, conservatives get over it!)
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To: AppyPappy

Very well said


69 posted on 10/13/2005 8:21:55 AM PDT by apackof2 (There's two theories to arguin' with a woman. Neither one works. Will Rogers)
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To: Tax-chick
you just need to find the right ones!

Oh this SOUNDS so easy but in practice.......

70 posted on 10/13/2005 8:22:55 AM PDT by apackof2 (There's two theories to arguin' with a woman. Neither one works. Will Rogers)
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To: evets

She seems charming. She's also attractive in a dark, mysterious way. I like the fact that she chucked city living to go live in a cottage in the country with her sister. If she has trouble finding men she ought to come to the USA, she'd knock 'em dead with that accent of hers.


71 posted on 10/13/2005 8:26:11 AM PDT by Fairview
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To: Fairview
If women could just get this in their heads!

The sad repercussions of feminism....broken hearts, broken dreams, abortion, single-parent households

72 posted on 10/13/2005 8:26:39 AM PDT by apackof2 (There's two theories to arguin' with a woman. Neither one works. Will Rogers)
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To: Fairview

I know ... we're doing 3 for the 6th time. But when James is 3, his younger brother will be Perfect :-).


73 posted on 10/13/2005 8:27:25 AM PDT by Tax-chick (When bad things happen, conservatives get over it!)
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To: AppyPappy
That behavior has to die.

I see your point.

But I have seen a repeated pattern among my peers of wives dominating a marriage. They behave one way, then when the ring goes on, they turn and suddenly think they are wearing a crown. This isn't just the old fashioned "whipped" complaint.

The level of domineering I've witnessed in younger brides, time and again, dwarves that of years gone by. I've seen it too many times for it to just be coincidence. I think its a byproduct of entitled feminism coupled with inequitible divorce laws.

Too many women abuse the trust given by the liability incurred by a marriage license. And when a man just can't take anymore, she gets the golden parachute. Then she repeates the process. Why shouldn't she? It was profitible the first time...

This doesn't apply to all women of course. But it is a notable trend.

74 posted on 10/13/2005 8:28:13 AM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Those are heroic thoughts, indeed. But unfortunately, what we are witnessing is not misbehavior of females who have been improperly raised and inadequately counselled.

What we have unleashed is all of the destructive traits of the female, which in fact are buried deeply within her genes, and which are the product of her evolution as the weaker sex in need of sustenance and protection. We cannot "unprogram" the female as she has been hot-wired for myopic destruction.

The only answer is to put the clamps back on before total destruction overwhelms us.

DA740


75 posted on 10/13/2005 8:28:38 AM PDT by DA740
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To: apackof2

Yes, theory is one thing, and reality another.


76 posted on 10/13/2005 8:31:19 AM PDT by Tax-chick (When bad things happen, conservatives get over it!)
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To: DA740
The only answer is to put the clamps back on before total destruction overwhelms us.

There is truth in what you say, but it isn't a truth Western society is prepared to face. So, as I said, for myself I prefer to focus on the individual and not worry about unsolvable problems like "the female" in the larger sense.

I think on that front, it's too late for the West.

77 posted on 10/13/2005 8:33:31 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (Speaking several languages is an asset; keeping your mouth shut in one is priceless.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

"Shrill as a harpie" indeed. I cannot tell you the number of married women I know who announce, "I do not cook for my husband. He is on his own." I just think if you are going to be a partnership, you divide the jobs and HAVE a homelife.

Call me old-fashioned, but ... if you don't bother with making a home and you don't bother with cooking and you don't bother with laundry and you don't bother with child-raising and you don't bother with time together and you focus on yourself and your career ... why are you married?


78 posted on 10/13/2005 8:37:48 AM PDT by bboop (Facts are your friend.)
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To: Eurotwit
In my experience, the root cause of the epidemic lies with a collective failure of nerve among men our age

"No men want to marry me and get me pregnant. What's wrong with all of them?"

79 posted on 10/13/2005 8:39:48 AM PDT by wbill
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To: AppyPappy
"You don't understand. A man has to give up his life for the marriage."

Almost agree... A man has to give up his life for the kids. Slight difference. A marriage can be fine and you can keep the boat and toys and you and the wife hit the town at night and run off for the weekend to the beach and she's your partner, lover and drinking buddy. But, when the kids arrive, she becomes your wife and you become her husband and she is the mother and you are the father. Now, the toys are sold in favor of college funds and baby room furniture, school supplies, etc...

But, there is good news... The kids grow up (take plenty of pictures because it goes by fast) and will soon be moving out and the weekend runs to the beach will start anew. AAAAND (if your lucky).... Just between me, you and the lamp post.....the wife still harbors a little guilt about you selling your boat years ago...

80 posted on 10/13/2005 8:42:44 AM PDT by Hatteras
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