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The trouble with men
Spectator ^ | Issue: 15 October 2005 | Molly Watson

Posted on 10/13/2005 7:02:45 AM PDT by Eurotwit

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To: HitmanNY

You'll like this one - on one of your "radio" themes. ;)


41 posted on 10/13/2005 7:47:26 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (Speaking several languages is an asset; keeping your mouth shut in one is priceless.)
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To: Enterprise

My tuxedo rental was free!

Maybe if I had paid I would still be married.


42 posted on 10/13/2005 7:47:55 AM PDT by Pylon (Remember boys, flies spread disease, so keep yours closed.)
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To: Eurotwit

Perhaps if these women would do the quaint, outdated thing of withholding sex until marriage, some of the reluctant males may begin to see the attraction of "commitment."


43 posted on 10/13/2005 7:50:08 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: ooioo; 2banana
Why are you assumign 2banana's response is knee-jerk? I think it is spot on.

Did you read the article or just skip to the comments?

44 posted on 10/13/2005 7:52:31 AM PDT by grellis (Coming in September 2006! SURVIVOR: MORDOR)
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To: AppyPappy
I sure hope hubby feels that his life has been enriched by our marriage, not thrown away.
45 posted on 10/13/2005 7:54:33 AM PDT by grellis (Coming in September 2006! SURVIVOR: MORDOR)
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To: Eurotwit

The problem is these women are always trying to find men their age. That works in High School, but once they are over 20, women should start looking at men 10 to 15 years older. These men will be well established and can support a woman through childbirth and rearing.


46 posted on 10/13/2005 7:55:48 AM PDT by gridlock (Eliminate Perverse Incentives)
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To: Eurotwit

If women would quit opening up their legs to every guy that walked by then they would have much more power in choosing men with quality and family values. Women have the power - the feminazis have lulled them into believing the power is in hooking up with as many men as possible but in the end no man wants to start a family with a women who could care less about who and what has has been there. Women need to quit taking their cues from the videos on MTV where they act like animals in the jungle and start showing some class and restraint. Men will follow


47 posted on 10/13/2005 7:55:50 AM PDT by sasafras ("Licentiousness destroyes order, and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom.)
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To: grellis

You don't want to marry a man who thinks he is a bachelor with a ring on his finger.


48 posted on 10/13/2005 7:56:10 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: nuconvert

Could this be God's/Nature's way of giving us a much needed reduction in the population?


49 posted on 10/13/2005 7:58:01 AM PDT by Sun Soldier
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To: Enterprise

Yup. Also you're a man, you can eat a banana in a hardware store.

DA740


50 posted on 10/13/2005 7:59:38 AM PDT by DA740
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To: Tax-chick

I don't think there's anything wrong with her point here. She's simply saying she wants a man who is mature enough to stay in for the long haul.... these problems are here int he US but I think they're worse in Britain actually. There are very few Christians in the UK which accounts for some of these stark differences.


51 posted on 10/13/2005 8:00:49 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: AppyPappy
It seems as if you are shooing women away from men who will not want to give up the bar scene and "playing the field." In my experience, that is a very small percentage of men, and a woman need not be overly savvy to spot him.

I can't think of anything that I (or my hub) "gave up" when we got married, apart from forsaking all others, which we willingly gave up.

52 posted on 10/13/2005 8:01:52 AM PDT by grellis (Coming in September 2006! SURVIVOR: MORDOR)
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To: sonserae

I agree with you. I happen to know a lot of women who got married around 29-30ish and within 2-3 years started looking to have children and noticed they weren't getting pregnant - not everyone is in their 40's.


53 posted on 10/13/2005 8:02:43 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Eurotwit
Can this woman cook? Just asking ...

Seriously though, maybe if the good doc and all the other woman would stop giving the milk away for free, the men would decide to buy a cow...

54 posted on 10/13/2005 8:06:18 AM PDT by ikka
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To: Eurotwit
And not a single word of how men have seen their fathers, uncles and male friend's lives destroyed by inequitable divorce laws.

It just couldn't be that a man sees his male friends and family's life ruined, time and again, and refuses to be the next dupe.

Nope, it isn't cause of that. It's cause we're immature.

Hey Molly, next time one of your friends brags about getting the house, remember that she got it at the price of YOUR marriage.

55 posted on 10/13/2005 8:07:40 AM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: Paved Paradise

I think a person who refers to children as "little brutes" is starting off with the wrong attitude. But then, when I pick up my almost-2-year-old after his nap, I tell him, "I missed you while you were asleep, James!" Could just be different personalities.


56 posted on 10/13/2005 8:09:37 AM PDT by Tax-chick (When bad things happen, conservatives get over it!)
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To: Eurotwit
"In my experience, the root cause of the epidemic lies with a collective failure of nerve among men our age."

Well THERE'S your problem. You're too old for men your own age. You need to set your sights on an older fellow who has a better chance of wanting to settle down. Men your own age are looking for women 5 years younger.

57 posted on 10/13/2005 8:10:00 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Campion
Could it be feminism

Took the words right out of my mouth

58 posted on 10/13/2005 8:10:35 AM PDT by apackof2 (There's two theories to arguin' with a woman. Neither one works. Will Rogers)
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59 posted on 10/13/2005 8:12:16 AM PDT by evets (God bless president Bush!)
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To: DA740
How do we men now get the toothpaste back in the tube?

By tolerating zero BS right from the beginning of the relationship, and in turn not giving her any. Too many men will put up with any amount of verbal abuse and power trips from a woman they find physically attractive - will even marry her, knowing what kind of personality she has. Equality for women comes with a price many children of feminist mothers seem totally unwilling to pay: equality of responsibility to be a good, rational, loving, self-actualized human being. The ego-tripping, manipulative, spoiled brat tactics a girl learns while dating in high school work so well into adulthood (and the men never object) that they see no reason to give them up. Men have to make them grow up by refusing to accept such behavior right from the start. One bratty temper tantrum and it's out the door, girlfriend!

Unfortunately, since so many men are also perpetual adolescents these days, neither sex is putting any real pressure on the other to grow up. High school now ends at age 40. Reproductively, this trend doesn't necessarily hurt men's lives...but it ruins women's.

Yes, it's hard work. It's a lot easier for a woman to sit back and be worshipped for her beauty - and there are all too many men willing to do that. It's a lot easier for a man to just do that, rationalizing that tribute due her in return for sex. But if both the man and woman can take responsibility to continually improve themselves, and make a serious effort to love each other unconditionally, with no games tolerated, the toothpaste eventually will go back into the tube by itself. Even feminist-minded women will find the real equality they wanted, not the perverse situation prevailing today where the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction: women gave gained freedom and independence while retaining all of the manipulative tools and behaviors they used to gain some measure of independence under the "old regime".

Ultimately, the individual has to make good choices for himself or herself and not worry about the state of society. The society will always seem to be in a crisis - that's the way society works. Find an individual whom you can trust not to hurt you and who will keep his or her promises. These days, it may be a long search. ;)

60 posted on 10/13/2005 8:12:44 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (Speaking several languages is an asset; keeping your mouth shut in one is priceless.)
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