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The Miers revolution [Offending your supporters has real-world consequences]
National Post ^ | Oct. 11, 2005 | David Frum

Posted on 10/11/2005 5:30:20 AM PDT by conservativecorner

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To: sinkspur
The point with Justice Thomas was he had been a strong conservative in a liberal world most of his life. He had been ridiculed because of his beliefs, but he maintained them and grew stronger. He was not going to be pressured by "group think" once he had a lifetime appointment and wanted to be accepted and liked by the majority of his peers.
221 posted on 10/11/2005 9:27:01 AM PDT by wmfights (lead, follow, or get out of the way)
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To: conservativecorner
The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over and expect a different outcome.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same things and expecting a different outcome."

-attributed to Albert Einstein

222 posted on 10/11/2005 9:28:57 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: syriacus

I didn't ask a question. You must be confused.


223 posted on 10/11/2005 9:30:14 AM PDT by monday
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To: KDD
Dittos. Actually, that pretty much describes the Senate in a nutshell, IMHO.

Again, we should've pulled the trigger when we had a chance on the constitutional option. I don't know why the president wouldn't knock heads and go to the matresses and get it done, because he was stronger then than he is now. Not that he's impotent, but the reality is that in a second term, any president, regardless of party, becomes more of a lame duck literally with every passing day. I know why Frist wouldn't, he has the backbone of a chocolate eclair, to steal a line from T. Roosevelt.

224 posted on 10/11/2005 9:31:36 AM PDT by GB
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To: syriacus

Of course like Bush. He is the "compassionate conservative" who nominated her.


225 posted on 10/11/2005 9:31:47 AM PDT by monday
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To: duckln
You want Miers to withdraw her nomination and I asked how are you going to force her to withdraw if she does not want to. You have no answer. All what you want is to bitch and whine.
226 posted on 10/11/2005 9:52:56 AM PDT by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: doberville
We don't KNOW what MS Miers is about and won't find out until she's on the bench.

Well, we should know.

We will have to trust GWB. The inability to trust the president appears to be the largest drawback so far, eh?

As I've said before, trusting politicians is for the feeble-minded and Russians.

227 posted on 10/11/2005 9:54:12 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: GB
How would you differentiate between the two?

I don't see much difference at this point.

I'd like to hear what the pundits think.

I'd like to see each pundit hand out a ranked list of their top 5 preferred candidates and have them specifically tell us why they choose those candidates and how they would label the "judicial philosophy" of each of those candidates.

228 posted on 10/11/2005 9:56:51 AM PDT by syriacus (Harriet Miers deserves hearings and an up/down vote, not rocks thrown by "Harriet's Harriers")
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To: airborne
Is there any indication when the hearings will start?

They won't. She's toast and will withdraw.

229 posted on 10/11/2005 9:58:12 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: monday
I didn't ask a question. You must be confused

Thanks for clearing that up.

230 posted on 10/11/2005 9:59:07 AM PDT by syriacus (Harriet Miers deserves hearings and an up/down vote, not rocks thrown by "Harriet's Harriers")
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To: Rutles4Ever
What really galled me, though, was that he trotted out the old "well get ready for a Hillary White House and a Hillary senate!" That's great logic, Hugh.

Well, the Republicans aren't doing anything with them. Except, perhaps, for amassing power, squandering money and appointing cronies.

231 posted on 10/11/2005 10:01:30 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Bush did something different. He nominated a woman whom he knew very very well and whom he trusted. THAT's doing something different.

You're right. O'Conner is leaving. It' the Old Woman's Seat. And after all, how many old-woman cronies does Bush have to choose from?

His hands were tied. So we all just need to shut up, pay up and reelect.

232 posted on 10/11/2005 10:05:36 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Hank Rearden
Boy I hope your right. What makes you think so? My experience has been the mediocre know when they have reached beyond their ability and won't let go.
233 posted on 10/11/2005 10:08:58 AM PDT by wmfights (lead, follow, or get out of the way)
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To: jveritas
So what the f*** do you want people? Do you want the President to withdraw Miers nomination?

Yep. Now. Today. Before he does something even more stupid.

Suppose he does not do it? What do you want to do?

Ensure the Senate throws her out on her ass.

vote Democrat? Stay home? or vote for a third party? F***ing do it and stop whining.

Ok, then. Will do.

Bush Jr. is doing exactly what Bush Sr. did - pissing off his party and destroying many years of work and progress. Not that he's done a hell of a lot to fulfill all his campaign promises up to now.

234 posted on 10/11/2005 10:11:50 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: wmfights
Boy I hope your right. What makes you think so? My experience has been the mediocre know when they have reached beyond their ability and won't let go.

Correct, all the way up to the Oval Office sometimes.

I just think the political pressure to dump her will become overwhelming this week and even Jr. will realize he's toast along with her if he stays stubborn on a stupid choice.

235 posted on 10/11/2005 10:13:42 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: syriacus
When the facts came out, Kerik withdrew his acceptance of the nomination.

One down, one to go.

236 posted on 10/11/2005 10:18:09 AM PDT by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: wmfights
The point with Justice Thomas was he had been a strong conservative in a liberal world most of his life.

People who have sincerely confronted their own beliefs and failings, can be firmly committed to conservatism.

Clarence Thomas, "I Am a Man, a Black Man, an American," 29 July 1998

In the final weeks of my seminary days, shortly after Dr. King's death, I found myself becoming consumed by feelings of animosity and anger. I was disenchanted with my church and my country. I was tired of being in the minority, and I was tired of turning the other cheek. I, along with many blacks, found ways to protest and try to change the treatment we received in this country.... I was being consumed by the circumstances in which I found myself, circumstances that I saw as responding only to race.


       My feelings were reaffirmed during the summer of 1968 as a result of the lingering stench of racism in Savannah and the assassination of Bobby Kennedy. No matter what the reasons were, I closed out the '60s as one angry young man waiting on the revolution that I was certain would soon come...

       The intensity of my feelings was reinforced by other events of the late '60s: the riots, the marches, the sense that something had to be done, done quickly to resolve the issue of race. In college there was an air of excitement, apprehension and anger. We started the Black Students Union. We protested. We worked in the Free Breakfast Program. We would walk out of school in the winter of 1969 in protest.


237 posted on 10/11/2005 10:18:21 AM PDT by syriacus (Harriet Miers deserves hearings and an up/down vote, not rocks thrown by "Harriet's Harriers")
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To: austinite
You RINO's better listen up, this rebuking of the Presidents choice for SCOTUS is a good thing. Face it, George is sleep walking, he needs something to wake him up. Maybe this will do it.

Of course it will. I mean, one of the defining qualities of his Presidency is how he has so often reveresed course based on polls and public pressure. That's why we left Iraq 4 months ago. /sarcasm.

238 posted on 10/11/2005 10:20:37 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: GB

"Again, we should've pulled the trigger when we had a chance on the constitutional option. I don't know why the president wouldn't knock heads and go to the matresses and get it done, because he was stronger then than he is now."

If I recall correctly, right about the time the whole issue wasd available to vote on, we decided that doing SOMETHING to save Terri Schiavo was far more important than getting nominees appointed to the Supreme Court.


239 posted on 10/11/2005 10:54:36 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! MORE! MORE! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: sinkspur
What has Frum done except bellyache?...For that matter, what have YOU done?

Neither Frum's grousing nor Litte Ray's torpor has any bearing on whether Miers is a suitable candidate for the Supreme Court.

If Frum was cheerily positive and Little Ray a dynamo of activity Miers would still be a mediocrity and a cipher.

How about trying to convince us that Miers is a pick that advances the conservative cause?

240 posted on 10/11/2005 11:02:54 AM PDT by Plutarch
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