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Misunderestimating The Furor Over Hurricane Harriet
GOPUSA ^ | October 10, 2005 | Chuck Muth

Posted on 10/10/2005 8:55:12 AM PDT by Warhammer

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To: Howlin
I wish I personally knew someone who knows Miers. Or... I wish I knew her. That's really the only way to know what type of judge she might be. We are being placed in a "trust me" position.

To be honest.... I'm more worried about Roberts than I am Miers. Roberts is smarter than everybody else in Washington. My experience is that these type of people are the ones that you need to worry about..... the ones that you may not want to trust.

I would guess that when it's all said and done, Miers will be more conservative than Roberts is.

141 posted on 10/10/2005 10:56:39 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: Betaille

Ya know the Bush Supporters are starting to sound like Alan Keyes Supporters.


142 posted on 10/10/2005 10:57:23 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Trust Bush is a code word for trust the Senate)
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To: Howlin
"I'm in the wait and see vote."

And what are you 'waiting to see?' What do you expect will come from the confirmation hearings that will convince you this was a good nomination?

143 posted on 10/10/2005 10:58:00 AM PDT by AlguyA
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To: LibFreeUSA

"Those that don't have the facts pound the table"


144 posted on 10/10/2005 10:58:47 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Trust Bush is a code word for trust the Senate)
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To: Cboldt
So far, the primary objection to Miers at this forum is that she's not a proven conservative, despite some strong indications that she is. Even among the elite pundits, the principle objection seems to be that she's an unknown, i.e., that other candidates had a more public record.

That's what hearings are for. It's not a requirement that we know everything about a candidate before he/she may be nominated. It is the duty of the Senate to ask the right questions and make the determination of whether enough has been learned to justify confirmation.

Those who can categorically state that she will not be a good judge or that she doesn't hold the correct philosophy are jumping the gun. They can't possibly know that unless they know her personally.

Anyone who can't reserve judgment until the hearings have concluded are basing that judgment on partial information at best. Those that denounce her based on that same partial information are pushing a different agenda, one that says that "information doesn't matter. Don't need that."

145 posted on 10/10/2005 11:00:06 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: sinkspur; Map Kernow; Howlin; Stellar Dendrite; flashbunny
What the crowd chanting "Bush's nominees have been good picks so far, and Miers helped vet them" fail to realize is this:

A BAD judge for US, is a GOOD judge for them (Dems), no? Therefore do you really think the MSM is going to report about these "bad" judges Bush has let through? No. Those are the judges they want MORE of.

We have to do our OWN research, not rely on some White House talking point memo. How many have been good? How many are crappy? Let's put a finger on it so we have a better idea of just what we're getting!

146 posted on 10/10/2005 11:01:00 AM PDT by mosquitobite (What we permit; we promote. ~ Mark Sanford for President!)
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To: mosquitobite
I'm not sure of your point. If you're saying that some judges appointed by Bush wrote opinions you don't agree with, so what? Scalia agreed with the CFR law. Robert Bork thinks the 2nd amendment is an anachronism.

I don't agree with my wife about everything she says, or does.

147 posted on 10/10/2005 11:01:57 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you're not willing to give Harriett Miers a hearing, I don't give a damn what you think.)
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To: Itzlzha

LOL BTTT


148 posted on 10/10/2005 11:02:13 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Trust Bush is a code word for trust the Senate)
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To: AlguyA
What do you expect will come from the confirmation hearings that will convince you this was a good nomination?

I'm "waiting to see" a question that isn't so loaded.

Got one?

149 posted on 10/10/2005 11:02:14 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: sinkspur
See #146.

I'm saying let's investigate the "trust Bush", "trust Miers" claim by seeing what they've really given us over the last 4 years.

Is it really a great record, or merely so so?

150 posted on 10/10/2005 11:04:06 AM PDT by mosquitobite (What we permit; we promote. ~ Mark Sanford for President!)
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To: Dog Gone
"Even among the elite pundits, the principle objection seems to be that she's an unknown, i.e., that other candidates had a more public record."

"That's what hearings are for."

(sigh) Did you pay no attention to the Roberts confirmation process? We have established, after much effort, that Supreme Court nominees CAN'T answer questions about how they'll vote on specific issues since said issues may soon be adjudicated before the Court. Hence, we will find out little, if any, useful information from the confirmation process, itself.

151 posted on 10/10/2005 11:05:51 AM PDT by AlguyA
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To: mosquitobite
Is it really a great record, or merely so so?

You gave us two decisions from one judge.

Is that all you've got?

152 posted on 10/10/2005 11:06:37 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you're not willing to give Harriett Miers a hearing, I don't give a damn what you think.)
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To: Dog Gone
So far, the primary objection to Miers at this forum is that she's not a proven conservative

Don't put words in the mouths of others. My primary objection is that she is not a conservative heavy hitter, that she has not proven an ability to do the intellectual heavy-lifting needed to decide to do the right thing and then to convince others that it is the right thing.

153 posted on 10/10/2005 11:07:17 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

So, according to you, I can't notice and remark on the primary objection that I see articulated here, one which you just restated using different words. Whatever.


154 posted on 10/10/2005 11:12:49 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Howlin
"I'm "waiting to see" a question that isn't so loaded."

"Got one?"

How is this a 'loaded' question? You're arguing against those who oppose this nomination. You don't even state your for the nomination, instead you're saying you want to 'wait and see.' It's fair to ask, "wait and see, what?" What is it you think will develop during the confirmation process that will convince you that those who oppose the nomination are wrong? If you can't answer the question, then it appears all of your argumentation is just blind Bushophilia masquerading as intellectual debate.

155 posted on 10/10/2005 11:13:14 AM PDT by AlguyA
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To: sinkspur

You're the one saying trust Bush! I've simply pointed out ONE reason NOT to. If someone gives me a list of all judicial appointments made by Bush I will gladly google them tonight at home & investigate. Or perhaps someone else knows if there's already a website out there that has done this?


156 posted on 10/10/2005 11:13:45 AM PDT by mosquitobite (What we permit; we promote. ~ Mark Sanford for President!)
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To: Sam Hill

Since you're great at investigating... ;)


157 posted on 10/10/2005 11:14:50 AM PDT by mosquitobite (What we permit; we promote. ~ Mark Sanford for President!)
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To: Dog Gone
So far, the primary objection to Miers at this forum is that she's not a proven conservative, despite some strong indications that she is. Even among the elite pundits, the principle objection seems to be that she's an unknown, i.e., that other candidates had a more public record.

That's what hearings are for.

My issues are primarily other than "predicted performace," but they do flow from the fact that her con-law philosophy is unknown, and she is a crony. The latter point not to be taken in a bad way, but she does owe some of her personal success to her attachment to the President. The crony charge will be leveled and addressed, but it's a discussion that is not the one I'd prefer.

This was a missed opportunity to have a conservative dialog with the public. The nomination shows weakness. The fact that weakness is the reality does not appease my disappointment.

158 posted on 10/10/2005 11:16:15 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: AlguyA

I would have thought the answer to that would have been obvious: wait and see how she does in the confirmation hearings and then decide if she's a good nominee or not.

It's a hard concept, I know.


159 posted on 10/10/2005 11:19:45 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Dog Gone

You can remark howsoever you wish. Just don't claim that my concern is different than what my concern is, and don't rephrase my concern to be something else than what it is.


160 posted on 10/10/2005 11:23:19 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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