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"I don't think so, but then again, I'm not a Christian."

What does being a Christian or not have to do with it?

If God is powerless, he's not God so why bother with religion of ANY sort?

As to your other point, I am pulling the pre-Nicaea documents that refer to the Catholic Church, per your request.

My request of you is that you produce the documents whereby you can establish that the Church prior to Nicaea was NOT the Catholic Church, that the bishops who assembled there were not Catholic bishops.

Indeed, I would ask you to define what "Catholic" means, in the perspective you are using it.

What you have said, in effect, is that there was an original Christian religion, the Ebionites, and that the Catholic Church was made up out of whole-cloth in 325 AD.

I have already referred you to one key document: Bishop Eusebius' "History of the Church", much of which was written long before Nicaea. So, there is your first pre-Nicaean document establishing that the Church already existed, well, besides Paul's letter to Timothy.

As to your other point, I am pulling the pre-Nicaea documents that refer to the Catholic Church, per your request

Thanks, I'm looking forward to reading them.

What you have said, in effect, is that there was an original Christian religion, the Ebionites, and that the Catholic Church was made up out of whole-cloth in 325 AD

Close. There were many Christian sects. The Romans took control and combined them into one. Those who refused to join the party were persecuted. Lets not forget that Roman Christians fed Nestorian Christians to the lions!

I have already referred you to one key document: Bishop Eusebius' "History of the Church", much of which was written long before Nicaea.

Wrong!
Eusebius was born in 265 AD. Nothing he wrote predates Nicaea. He was a Bishop of the Cæsarean creed before Nicaea. There were many Christian creeds, but no Catholics until after Nicaea.

None of this matters a hill of beans. The point is that many of those who quote the Bible know nothing about the book itself or the founding of the church.

My request of you is that you produce the documents whereby you can establish that the Church prior to Nicaea was NOT the Catholic Church

ROFL!
How would I do that? There are no documents that refer to the Catholic church before Nicaea. It is up to those who claim there was a Catholic church in the first or second century to prove that claim!

Indeed, I would ask you to define what "Catholic" means, in the perspective you are using it

I know the meaning of the Greek word "catholic", but it is not up to me to define your religion. The claim was made that the Catholic church is the original Christian church. All I asked for was proof of that, and I have seen no proof yet.
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