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To: SmartCitizen
What do you think the geneologies in Matthew and Luke

Fiction. Who were Matthew and Luke?
When were they born?
When did they die?
Is there any historical reference to them outside of the Bible?
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148 posted on 10/07/2005 12:22:55 PM PDT by radioman
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To: radioman

This is goofy. Go and read Josephus, the Babylonian Talmud, Lucian, Pliny the Younger, and Tacitus and get back with us.


153 posted on 10/07/2005 12:44:50 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: radioman
Fiction. Who were Matthew and Luke? When were they born? When did they die? Is there any historical reference to them outside of the Bible?

I see, so in your view, the only reliable text is a rejected gnostic gospel from the 2nd century, while the accepted CANONICAL gospels are unreliable even though they correspond internally with the Old Testament and Paul's epistles, are reliably dated to within one generation of the crucifixion, and were accepted by the church fathers.

Believe whatever you want, just don't try to pass it off as orthodoxy - it's heresy.

154 posted on 10/07/2005 12:48:45 PM PDT by SmartCitizen
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To: radioman

***Fiction. Who were Matthew and Luke?***

If you are going to play that game consider this.

Years ago naysayers said there was no such thing as Hittites as none of the ancients spoke of them. That is until Champolion translated the Egyptian language and found a complete history of them.

Naysayers said Pontius Pilate was fiction for the same reason, that is until a dedication plaque was found in Csesarea with his name on it.

Can you prove Herodotus lived? Maybe someone else wrote his histories,er, that is fictions as no one can "prove " them.

Can you show me the birth Certificate of Josephus? Can you prove it was He that wrote his histories of the Jews and not someone else?
Maybe Tacitus and Suetonius' histories were really fiction!Can you prove to me that a a Gladitorial Stadium collapsed killing thousands of people?

Can you even prove that most of the people Tacitus and Suetonius wrote about lived?
Maybe Julius Caeser was a fictional character written by someone else. We have statues and stories of him, but we also have statues and stories of Paul Bunyon and Pecos Bill.

So, what standard do you hold to prove someone lived in the past. You can call it "fiction" but that doesn't mean the historical people did not exist.

Again I ask my question...
In the Gospel of Thomas Jesus said he would preach to Mary and she would become a man. Did she?
if not, why do you keep bringing up this piece of drivel?


157 posted on 10/07/2005 12:55:39 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn, the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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