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To: groanup; grey_whiskers; Bigun

It's true that when you tax a form of income then people will shift their income to another form if at all possible. It is also true that if you tax consumption of a certain kind (final retail) you'll get less of it.

More importantly if one visibly taxes all final consumption including services, (not just a certain kind) and do not tax savings or investment, the incentives to earn and to invest our earnings increase.

A sorely need change regarding the dangerous trends we have been on since the early 80's:

 

http://mwhodges.home.att.net/family_a.htm#Saving

From the Grandfather Economic Report
by Michael Hodges

Rate of Personal Saving Plunges 100% - to new record low - $985 Billion missing

saving from disposable incomeIf families have less inflation-adjusted income, despite mother working, then family personal savings must suffer as a consequence - unless, of course, families reduce their consumption. But, families increased consumption spending and, to cover this, they reduced savings to historic lows and increased household debt to historic highs. Dangerous Trend !!!

The chart at the left shows a 45 year trend of that part of disposable income that has been saved - - called 'personal savings rate'.

Note: prior to 1970 the rate of personal savings was rising smartly - - as were family incomes per the first chart above - despite most families then having but one wage earner while also living without increasing debt ratios (chart below).

Then, family incomes stagnated - - and the saving ratio stopped rising as seen in the left chart - - then started falling rapidly - - plummeting since 1992. As of June 2005, savings were at an all-time record low of zero percent !! $985 Billion in savings missing in 2004 compared to savings ratio of 2 decades ago. (realized capital gains, not calculated in the savings rate, mitigate this chart somewhat if one wishes to call such savings - - but the trend with and without is at all-time record lows).


20 posted on 10/07/2005 11:11:12 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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To: ancient_geezer; groanup; grey_whiskers; pigdog
Just a thought--when you tax something, you get less of it.

That is true ONLY under a condition where everything else stays the same.

Under the sales tax as currently proposed in HR25/S25 that would not be the case! Everyone would have more cash in his pocket and prices, over time, will be, for the most part, no more than they currently are. Additionally and most importantly, at least to my mind, is that everyone would be free to pursue income freely without worry as to tax implications. Further, no one would any longer have to live with the prospect of an agency of the government, the IRS, having the ability to destroy them financially with a mere allegation! Freedom! That's the word!

F R E E D O M ! ! !

23 posted on 10/08/2005 6:32:10 AM PDT by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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