Posted on 10/07/2005 7:04:52 AM PDT by indcons
From what I've read - and I try to read as much as feasible - the Paki room mate is supposedly living somewhere else and "can't be reached". I hope to God the FBI are keeping tabs on him. He couldn't possibly have been ignorant about the explosives in the apartment. I've also read that other Arab types hung out in the apt.
The think stinks, and I hope that the reason it's not being reported is because they're working on it and don't want perps alarmed.
http://www.oudaily.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/10/05/4344a2c30d701
If he's a muslim, then he can't be an atheist because he believes in Allah.
an atheist muslim - well that's just an oxy-moron
and why would he be mad at "God" for losing his hearing? Wouldn't the all powerful Allah be the one to blame for his loss of hearing? He's probably mad because he helped build some bombs that "accidentally" exploded leaving his hearing impaired. He probably thought he was going to die a martyr so he could have his reward of 72 virgins...
Darn!
any of you think that this is all tied into the Stone's concert being bomb sweeped or the incidents in the subways?
I think the cells are on the move.
Saw on another thread somewhere else that there was a bomb taped to a bus that was parked in the circle but it was removed and detonated? True or false???
funny how "fast" things disappear in this country isn't it?
At the OU stadium, your bags are checked BEFORE you are to surrender your ticket.
"Cheema was an atheist who was angry with God because he had lost much of his hearing
Well THAT makes sense.
Thank you Oorang.
Maybe he's blind and can't smell as well as being deaf?
And speaking of his being deaf, setting off explosives will do that you know. :)
Takfir is generally translated as "departure from Islamic practices", usually in the sense of ceasing to be a Muslim
Hijira literally means "journey". The Qur’an uses the word Hijra to mean moving from a bad place or state of affairs to a good one
Since one of the main tactics of the group is to stop performing Islamic practices in order to better blend into non-Muslim societies, and not attract attention, an alternate translation of al-Takfir wa al-Hijra would be
The obvious thing proved is that they guy making the statement seems to have known Cheema fairly well. Let's haul him in for questioning
Given:
1. Student explodes near stadium.
2. May have tried to access stadium.
3. Apartment contains additional ordinance.
4. Student attempted to purchase ammonium nitrate.
5. Roommate from Pakistan, who probably knew of the bomber's activities.
Decide, irrevocably, whether this is two or three jihadists one of whom is now dead, or whether these were Al Qaeda players, part of a larger plot.
You cannot. There is not enough evidence here to prove or disprove a conspiracy. Which means your mathematically mandated next move is.....?
Investigation.
Agreed?
Good, I don't want to have to demonstrate the ignorance of any other reply.
Now....policy during the mandated investigation regarding disclosure:
1. Full disclosure prior to conclusions based on fact cannot be made because facts not in possession yet. Stop, we are debating the question of a larger conspiracy, nothing more or less here.
2. Full disclosure will impair the investigation, and will lessen the chances of capturing any additional members of the conspiracy, if they exist.
3. Full disclosure will allow civilians to decide for themselves the true threat level before attending any more football games.
4. Full disclosure will significantly impact gate receipts from college and professional football games for an extended period. If later investigative conclusions show that no larger conspiracy existed, the damage is still irrevocable. The terrorists "win", even in the process of losing.
5. You have roughly one week to investigate before a decision is required. Few games are scheduled during this period. Delaying a decision during this period puts few civilians at risk, and preserves the option of sparing the football industry financial damage until more information can be gathered.
6. For a coverup to exist, the investigative teams have to:
A: Believe that a larger conspiracy did exist, and
B: Place the football industry's well being higher in priority than the people's reasonable right to know of existing threats.
This cannot, mathematically, have happened yet, because the majority of subsequent games, (all college, most professional) have not been played yet.
The only yardstick we currently possess to INDICATE a potential cover-up is past occurrence, which includes the New York subway threat, the threats to Financial Institutions in New York, threats from gasoline tankers, and to gasoline stations, threats to tourists at various locations worldwide, threats from a "dirty" bomb, etc. etc. etc., all of which were DISCLOSED TO THE PUBLIC PRIOR TO ANY CIVILIAN CASUALTIES.
If you want to understand Flight 800, read the flipping book. If you've read the book and still want to disclose the capabilities (and limitations) of the Aegis upgrade,then follow your own conscience, but regardless of your choice, you will not return the passengers of flight 800 to life.
If you want to claim that Timothy McVeigh was a closet Muslim, you will have to debate that with the rest of the tinfoil crowd, because I choose not to waste my time on you.
I'm going to go out on a limb here, and bet that few, if any of the people claiming coverup here have much experience dealing with people who continue working with FEMA, the FBI, the NSA, the Secret Service, the DIA, or the CIA. These people don't talk, not to the media, not to anyone. It is part of the vetting process that decides their entry to the community. Do you prefer otherwise?
These people gather information, they do not distribute it, except up the food chain. Their bosses decide when to release information, they do so with a big picture view, and they do not, ever, wantonly destroy an entire American industry without careful consideration beforehand.
They also do not, as matter of record, hesitate to destroy an entire industry as large as the American commercial airline fleet, if they perceive a credible threat.
Think on that.
The ticket taker's name still has not been revealed. It was a student telling his story of what the ticket taker told him.
"...It's obvious Hinrichs depression was a motivating factor as he ultimately didn't detonate in a crowded area."
A map of Norman indicates he had to go 9 or ten blocks from his apartment before he got to the spot where he ultimately blew up - right next to the stadium. And there are conflicting reports as to whether he actually tried to get inside the stadium.
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