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Why do you believe the Bible? If you can't make rational decisions, how did you happen to believe this? I am serious. Okay, I'll be serious. I believe that when I was baptized the Holy Spirit worked faith in my heart. It had nothing to do with me, it was all His work. So many have an opportunity to believe, especially those who have been baptized. However, God does not make us robots and therefore we still have the ability to deny the validity of God and His Holy Word. It is only by His grace and mercy that a person continues to believe. All the credit goes to God. I am not capable of believing without Him working faith in me. Rational? No. True? Yes. That is the reason that people who think rationally usually reject God because the thought of a God who could accomplish so much is just not rational and therefore unbelievable.

"I am not capable of believing without Him working faith in me. Rational? No. True? Yes."

Or maybe not, how do YOU know? Did the Holy Spirit tell you that slavery was OK and that anything a government enacts into law is OK? How does the Golden Rule mesh with your belief that slavery isn't a moral issue?

"That is the reason that people who think rationally usually reject God because the thought of a God who could accomplish so much is just not rational and therefore unbelievable."

So know you are saying that on rational grounds atheism makes a lot of sense, therefore, it is wrong! Embrace the Mystical! (I am not saying your above example is necessarily rational or logical, and you wouldn't know because you have already admitted you can't make rational decisions by yourself.)

"However, God does not make us robots and therefore we still have the ability to deny the validity of God and His Holy Word."

In other words, using your above logic, if a person uses his God given ability to reason, he will come to the conclusion that God doesn't exist. By doing so he will have sinned and be damned to Hell. The only way to Heaven is to forsake the gifts God gave you. Embrace the Stupidity!

You are really providing some hilarious posts for us; don't stop now!

And here we have the answer to the frustrating aspect these threads.

Note again that no Creationist has come out opposing taxesareforever's statement that slavery is not wrong.

Now we have the following statement:

"That is the reason that people who think rationally usually reject God because the thought of a God who could accomplish so much is just not rational and therefore unbelievable."

paired with:

"The Golden Rule is no different from the Ten Commandments. They are all law and obeying the law does not get a person into heaven. Believing the Gospel gets people to heaven. You can do as much good as you want but unless it is done out of love for Christ it is not considered good in His eyes."

Thus a simple formula that explains the nature of these threads:

1. Believe that you love Christ.

2. Believe that loving Christ is all that will get you into heaven.(thus any behavior that shows you love Christ is ok.)

3. Believe that rational behavior is a indicator that the person doing it does not believe in God and therefor does not love Christ.

There goes science, because practiioners of science do not by definition believe in God and love Christ, and (inferential jump here) there also goes the need for honesty in debate with them because they are bad non Christ lovers.

Worse yet, rational behavior is, in and of itself, an indicator that the person doing it does not believe in God and is probably, therefor, a bad guy