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Bush wants right to use military if bird flu hits
My Way News ^ | Oct 4, 2:50 PM (ET) | Charles Aldinger

Posted on 10/05/2005 10:51:13 AM PDT by tjbravo

President George W. Bush asked Congress on Tuesday to consider giving him powers to use the military to enforce quarantines in case of an avian influenza epidemic.

He said the military, and perhaps the National Guard, might be needed to take such a role if the feared H5N1 bird flu virus changes enough to cause widespread human infection.

"If we had an outbreak somewhere in the United States, do we not then quarantine that part of the country? And how do you, then, enforce a quarantine?" Bush asked at a news conference.

"It's one thing to shut down airplanes. It's another thing to prevent people from coming in to get exposed to the avian flu. And who best to be able to effect a quarantine?" Bush added.

"One option is the use of a military that's able to plan and move. So that's why I put it on the table. I think it's an important debate for Congress to have."

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.myway.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: avianflu; possecomitatus; welcometofr
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It has been mentioned more and more over the past few weeks to start giving more power to the military and degenerating Posse Comitatus.
1 posted on 10/05/2005 10:51:21 AM PDT by tjbravo
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To: tjbravo

As scary as using the military in a civilian capacity may seem it is not nearly as scary as the spectre of another global flu pandemic like the one that killed over 20,000,000 people worldwide in 1918.

The US military is the only organization on earth to respond to a situation of this magnitude if it occurs (which I sincerely hope it does not).

If you want to read what I am talking about, Google "1918 influenza". This was the greatest human disaster of the past 100 years and it has been mostly forgotten.


2 posted on 10/05/2005 10:56:39 AM PDT by 43north (If you're not liberal at 20 you have no heart. If you're still liberal at 40 you have no brain.)
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To: tjbravo

No comment until I hear what Dustin Hoffman has to say.


3 posted on 10/05/2005 10:56:49 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: tjbravo
myway.com? I'd like to see this verified. Never heard of them. Sounds like F.U.D. pandering to me.
4 posted on 10/05/2005 10:57:21 AM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: tjbravo

The answer to everything lately is "the military". True Americans should be very alarmed at this.


TLR


5 posted on 10/05/2005 10:58:45 AM PDT by The Last Rebel
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To: 43north
I heard on the radio (don't ask me which show as I listen at work and miss a lot) that some scientists had successfully reproduced the virus that caused the 1918 epidemic. I can't imagine that someone thought this was a good idea.

Carolyn

6 posted on 10/05/2005 10:58:49 AM PDT by CDHart (The world has become a lunatic asylum and the lunatics are in charge.)
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To: tjbravo

The answer to everything lately is "the military". True Americans should be very alarmed at this.


TLR


7 posted on 10/05/2005 10:58:52 AM PDT by The Last Rebel
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To: tjbravo

Wonder if they can innoculate the quarantiners against the quarantinees?


8 posted on 10/05/2005 10:59:00 AM PDT by grobdriver (Let the embeds check the bodies!)
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To: kinghorse

Shouldn't we consult Bianca Jagger on this one ?


9 posted on 10/05/2005 10:59:05 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Troubled by NOLA looting ? You ain't seen nothing yet.)
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To: tjbravo

Taking the military out of the equation would be foolish since the scale of an outbreak of this kind or another disaster - terrorist, criminal, or natural - requires that extraordinary measures be planned and ready.

The sovereignty of the states must also be preserved, which means the discussion the President is asking for must take place.

At the moment our nation's disaster response is held hostage by the weakest link, and that weakest link can appear at any level of government. In the case of Katrina it was local government, but that doesn't preclude a future administration from being the weakest link at the Federal level.

Debate and discussion on this issue need to take place. After the debate, we the people will have to decide which direction to take from there.


10 posted on 10/05/2005 10:59:54 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: 43north
The US military is the only organization on earth to respond to a situation of this magnitude if it occurs (which I sincerely hope it does not).

Exactly!

11 posted on 10/05/2005 11:02:50 AM PDT by kipita (Conservatives: Freedom and Responsibility………Liberals: Freedom from Responsibility)
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To: tjbravo

Considering the chaos in NO during a flood imagine the scale with a nationwide pandemic.


12 posted on 10/05/2005 11:02:57 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: tjbravo

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1496508/posts


13 posted on 10/05/2005 11:04:27 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Carry Daily, Apply Sparingly.)
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To: 43north; sheltonmac
Checking with family last night, I discovered my ancestors were hit rather hard by the epidemic of 1918. One of my grandmothers lost both her parents and a sibling I believe. It was even worse in other parts of the family.

But even if it meant the loss of my own family currently, at no point would I advocate the use of the military for 'humanitarian' purposes on US soil. But of course Republicans have advocated that in one form or another since the beginning of the party haven't they? Good to see Bush is returning back to even more Republican roots

It disturbs me that so many that consider themselves conservative would be willing to hand any portion of control to the military on our home soil

14 posted on 10/05/2005 11:05:00 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: 43north
You're 100% correct.

Look at the job the local officials did concerning Katrina. They were more dangerous than the hurricane.

The military already has the organizational skills to spread out and help if it comes to pass.

15 posted on 10/05/2005 11:05:03 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: The Last Rebel

think conversely
what if

alqueda delivers biological agents?

as it is there has not been a natural pandemic. we are long overdue and the population levels are too high let alone the ability of disease, any disease, to travel globally

in my opinion containment strategy is necessary. even if bird fu is an excuse.


16 posted on 10/05/2005 11:05:23 AM PDT by jackson29
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To: coconutt2000
"If we had an outbreak somewhere in the United States, do we not then quarantine that part of the country? And how do you, then, enforce a quarantine?"

Quarantine an entire part of the country??? Don't you think that is a bit overboard? Will the entire Bible Belt be quarantined because of a farm in Knoxville? Don't leave me, Danny!

17 posted on 10/05/2005 11:06:23 AM PDT by Leonine
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To: Judith Anne; Mother Abigail

I thought you two might be interested in this.


18 posted on 10/05/2005 11:06:50 AM PDT by Serb5150 (I'm preparing for the big one. Are you?)
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To: CDHart

The only way to find out why the virus was so virulent and how to defeat it was to reproduce it.

The retrieval of whole virus from an Inupiat woman buried deep in the permafrost of NW Alaska in Brevig Mission after the 1918 pandemic is one of the great medical detective stories of all time.

Anyone wanting to read up on this should get a copy of "Flu" by Gina Kolata.


19 posted on 10/05/2005 11:07:41 AM PDT by 43north (If you're not liberal at 20 you have no heart. If you're still liberal at 40 you have no brain.)
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To: hiredhand
Here's another article.

Bush Considers Military Role in Flu Fight
20 posted on 10/05/2005 11:08:30 AM PDT by kenth (There were only a few thousand hippies marching, but it smelled like half a million.)
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