Posted on 10/03/2005 6:29:47 PM PDT by IrvingSplotnick
ABU Bakir Bashir, the spiritual leader of Jemaah Islamiah, has outlined the religious justification for terror attacks in Bali, London and New York and urged jihadists to embrace nuclear weapons "if necessary".
In a chilling interview last month in the Jakarta cell where he remains after his conspiracy conviction in relation to the 2002 Bali bombings, the radical Muslim cleric also warned of a clash of civilisations that would not end until the West "accepts to be governed by Islam".
The alleged terrorist leader speaks of his hopes of meeting Osama bin Laden if he is released from prison and explains the justification for suicide bombers and terror attacks. "During battle it is different. Still, the whole notion revolves around martyrdom," he says. "But in places like London and in America there must be other calculations. In battle it is best to cause as many casualties as possible."
Published a fortnight ago by the Washington-based Jamestown Foundation, the interview was conducted by Scott Atran on August 13 and 15 at Cipinang Prison in Jakarta.
Asked about his personal views regarding the bombings in his homeland, including the Bali bombings in 2002 and the Marriott bombing in 2003, Bashir praises the bombers. "I call those who carried out these actions all mujahid," he says.
"They all had a good intention, that is, jihad in Allah's way, the aim of the jihad is to look for blessing from Allah.
"They are right that America is the proper target because America fights Islam. So in terms of their objectives, they are right, and the target of their attacks was right also.
"No, they didn't attack because they defended themselves. They shouldn't be punished."
In the interview, Bashir urges parents to understand the reward their children will secure if they join the jihad against Westerners.
"If the martyr's family understands Islam deeply, they will obtain many rewards," he says.
"Their reward will come, if they understand. A martyr must have ikhlas (sincerity). The parent who understands this concept must be thankful to Allah.
"This is the spirit of jihad that most scares the infidels. This is a moral force."
Bashir also describes one of the 2002 Bali bombs as "a Jewish bomb". "That bomb was a CIA Jewish bomb. You are stupid to punish Amrozi if he really knows how to make such a bomb," he says. "You should hire him to be a military consultant, because there is no military or police person (in Indonesia) who can make such a bomb. If Amrozi really did make that bomb, he deserves the Nobel Prize. So, the death penalty is not fair."
However, he argues there is little Westerners can do to avoid further conflict.
Bashir also says he recently sent a letter to US President George W. Bush via the US embassy in Jakarta.
"They have to stop fighting Islam, but that's impossible because it is sunnatullah (destiny, a law of nature), as Allah has said in the Koran," he says.
"They will constantly be enemies. But they'll lose. I say this not because I am able to predict the future but they will lose and Islam will win. Islam must win and Westerners will be destroyed. If they refuse to be under Islam, it will be chaos. Full stop. If they want to have peace, they have to accept to be governed by Islam."
And there you have it....how in the world does the "say no to war" crowd reconcile a statement like this?
Are you from the Brooklyn Splotnicks or the Bronx Splotnicks?
In the film "Independence Day," President Bill Pullman asks the downed alien," What do you expect us to do?"
The alien replied chillingly, "Die..." There can be no reasoning, no appeasement, no rapprochement with these murderers who gladly sacrifice their progeny on the altar of their blood.
Was this jackass sentenced to death or does he get to continue to spew this junk out to the world?
"urged jihadists to embrace nuclear weapons"
Okay I say we send him a 200 megaton yield nuclear weapon! via express delivery. Norad should be able to get it there in about 40 minutes!
Yea...Be the slaves of the Islamics manics I don't know of one westerner that would not die before living under these subhumans. They lost 400 years ago and they will lose again, they think we are so afraid when in reality we "Anmericans" can be some of the craziest opponents they will face. So much with the idle threats bring it on and lets' just see who wins.
You think because you brought two building down you will win always? Think again...You nuke us...then get ready because one thing you cannot do or anyone else is track out nuke subs and we can park on outside any country and if you want to go warhead to warhead...you better get working we have a 50 years start and your bombs are as crude as your thinking.
We can hit a target 5 feet across from 4,000+ miles...You might get a dirty bomb off...Islam they were loser 400 years ago and history will repeat it's self because they is one God son and David Father to Jesus...period.
abletruth
And the first ones they will come for will be the feminists, the liberines and the ACLU lawyers. Keep spinning the rope boys and girls.
He was sentenced to 30 months in prison. This was recently reduced by 4 1/2 months by the Indonesian Government as part of some annual celebration.
He will be out in no time.
The Islamic maniacs totally underestimate westerners, we would never give in to them. They will never have the power to do so. I agree we have to kill as many as possible, we have to show no mercy, we have be as ruthless as they are.
I don't like saying because my relgion doesn't condone hacking off heads and treating women like farm animals,
We will destroy with great prejustice, we are never going to give in to these subhumans.
They want war we will give them war and we will do what we have to nobody can tell me the towelheads can scare the west in to surrendering to them...a hollow dream. I say bring it on, let's get this party started and let's teach them that when they go after us they will pay dearly and if so we will chase them through a thousand life times to appease their crimes against us.
Come on Islam...let's see your power you talk alot but that is about it...blowing up a night club is a real victory isn't it, innocent people is all you can kill because you don't have the stones to go up against us...so bring it on.
abletruth
I hope that we have CIA there ready to bag him upon his release.
Irving...I agree, time to get down and play the way they do...maybe if we had 10 years a go we would not have given them this image of being scared to death..The death that is coming is for them...
I am a Christian but I have to defend myself from the evil devil dogs they are...Bring it on...
able
Does he know something we don't?
Choose: Kill or be Killed. A choice which must be made by our government. Opportunities lost were 9/12 and the day after the London bombings. We cannot reason our way out of this. Like Hitler and Hirohito they must die and or submit, but we cannot compromise as we have been doing. I see only the slightest chance of not experiencing a nuclear attack, and that is to visit so much terror on the muslim countries that their leadership ensures they will not allow the 'Osamas' will get out of hand. To offer an inducement we must be ruthless. We need a pure warrior like Patton who only wanted the kill the Hun and Slav. He was not allowed to kill the Slav and Mongol and this gave us the cold war and 45 years of the terror of mutual assurred destruction. The Slavs were much more reasonable than the Muslims. At least the Slavs wanted to live. The Muslims want to die and take as many with them as possible.
Dyno--Well said...If we get another attack and I believe will maybe it will wake the Gov and the press that thee dags have to exterminated like rats.
The press has made us forget 9/11...but when we are hit again and theat very well could be this month they will then blame Bush...when in fact they have aidded and abbetted the subhumans that we will all die trying to kill because we will never surrender...it is not in our nature.
As I said the Islamic maniacs tried 400 years ago to do the same thing and they were defeated and they will be again but there will be bloodshed on both sides, regreetably then maybe the arrogance of the keft will se these people can not be dealt with unless we give them the keys to America...nit going to happen. Japen made the same mistake and paid dearly..And it was the right and only decision to make.
able
I feel the leadership of the Islamic countries like the opulence offered them by leadership positions. Therefore I think they would act in their personal best interest. They can be 'coerced' into finding and killing the jihadist by assurring them that they, their families, and their countries will be utterly destroyed if they do not offer to the West an absolute insurance policy. One slipup and we make an example out of them with a total and utter nuclear strike. Otherwise, for the life of me, I cannot envision this war ever coming to an end.
IMHO, they should just fit him with a "special vest" and send him back to his followers...
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