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Amos the Prophet: And it makes claims about those processes that preclude the possibility of a designer. Random selection is an atheist doctrine.

jennyp (in response to Amos...) Exactly in the same way that modern physics - by precluding the explanation that angels push the planets around - is an atheist doctrine.

Modern physics makes no such claim.  It may indeed be true that angels push the planets around.  Science can only describe the rules they follow as they push the planets around.

Amos,  "Random selection" is not strictly an atheistic doctrine.  The atheistic doctrine is to interpret "random" as meaning that God is not involved.  In fact, the scientific meaning of "random" is that it is beyond the ability to measure or predict.  The word random could be changed to "chosen by God" with no change to the scientific meaning as long as you keep in mind that the science itself says  nothing about God.

[Right Wing Professor]

It may indeed be true that angels push the planets around.

Y'know, when we say they're trying to send science back to the Dark Ages, they accuse us of exaggerating.

I nominate the post I'm replying to for 'This is your Brain on Creationism'.