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New Orleans levee reported weak in 1990s
MSNBC ^

Posted on 09/29/2005 7:26:13 PM PDT by budvol

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Hmmmmm... Bushs fault I guess.. even tho Clinton was in office
1 posted on 09/29/2005 7:26:14 PM PDT by budvol
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“That's incredibly damning evidence,” says van Heerden, “I mean, really, incredibly damning.”

Though not incredibly damming.

2 posted on 09/29/2005 7:38:01 PM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
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Should this be put on the just dammed ping list?
3 posted on 09/29/2005 7:41:26 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Where can i get some dam bait?


4 posted on 09/29/2005 7:43:37 PM PDT by uncitizen
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Where can i get some dam bait?

At the dambait shop.

5 posted on 09/29/2005 7:46:25 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: budvol
1990s? That would surely be the fault of the Governor of Texas then.
Anybody remember who that was?
6 posted on 09/29/2005 7:49:29 PM PDT by msnimje (Hurricane KATRINA - An Example of Nature's Enforcement of Eminent Domain)
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To: budvol

One has to marvel at the thinking behind the levees. Yes, lets build them for a cat 3 hurricane and they will fail at cat 4-5, which will surely come....duh!


7 posted on 09/29/2005 7:50:25 PM PDT by TheLion
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One has to marvel at the thinking behind the levees. Yes, lets build them for a cat 3 hurricane and they will fail at cat 4-5, which will surely come....duh!

Can you imagine if they put this to the vote of the people they would vote to build it to Cat 3 strength?

8 posted on 09/29/2005 7:54:33 PM PDT by msnimje (Hurricane KATRINA - An Example of Nature's Enforcement of Eminent Domain)
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It is like building your home real cheap to protect you up to say 50 mile an hour winds....you get a real cheap home and wait for the day when you know winds will exceed 50 mph and it all comes falling down.


9 posted on 09/29/2005 7:57:49 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: budvol

I believe there have been people predicting problems since the late 1920s when they were first put in place, so this comes as no surprise at all.

Every decade they supposedly were doing cost-benefit analysis or allocating money and every decade it either never came or was diverted to something else. Now we all have to pay I guess. Wonderful huh?


10 posted on 09/29/2005 7:59:43 PM PDT by zoddent
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Yes, lets build them for a cat 3 hurricane and they will fail at cat 4-5, which will surely come....duh!

The levees were designed at a lull in the hurricane cycle so the risk of a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane is probably higher than was believed (about once in 200 years) when they were designed. Given that the levees were never designed to withstand anything above Cat 3, it is unconscionable that Nagin and Blanco didn't order a mandatory evacuation 48 hours or more ahead of the projected landfall. Considering the Louisiana state evacuation plans called for the Governor to commandeer all state owned transports, there were over 2,000 school and transit buses available in the state available to evacuate people who had no cars from New Orleans.

11 posted on 09/29/2005 8:03:09 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Labyrinthos

Dam! Why didn't i think of that?


12 posted on 09/29/2005 8:06:23 PM PDT by uncitizen
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To: budvol
. even tho Clinton was in office

that's right, Bill Clinton was in the White House in 1998. But the press won't report on that.

13 posted on 09/29/2005 8:07:04 PM PDT by timestax
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You are right about the mandatory evacuation....it should have been done.

But wait....we can always blame Bush! /sarcasm


14 posted on 09/29/2005 8:09:13 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: budvol
Ready for some irony...?

This is the bio of the Chief of Engineers during the critical period of time...

Lieutenant General Joe N. Ballard

Commanding General, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers

Lieutenant General Joe N. Ballard became the 49th Chief of Engineers and Commander of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers on Oct. 1, 1996. He is the Army's senior engineer and top engineering advisor. He is responsible for an annual budget of over $12 billion, and leadership of a workforce of more than 37,000 civilian and military personnel worldwide.

General Ballard manages Army Corps of Engineers missions, including the nation's vast civil works program, environmental restoration, and construction on military installations. His leadership guides the Corps in assisting with recovery from natural disasters, regulating work in the nation's waterways and wetlands, conducting research and development, serving as the Army and Air Force real estate agent, and providing engineering services to 60 other federal agencies and more than 80 other nations.

General Ballard graduated from Southern University in Baton Rouge, LA, in 1965 with a bachelor's degree in Electrical Engineering and was commissioned into the Corps of Engineers. He later earned his master's degree in Engineering Management from the University of Missouri. He is a graduate of the Army Command and General Staff College and the Army War College. He is a registered professional engineer in civil engineering. Lieutenant General Ballard holds a number of honorary degrees, including an Honorary Doctorate of Law from Lincoln University, Jefferson City, MO; an Honorary Professional Degree from the University of Missouri in Rolla, MO; and an Honorary Doctorate of Engineering from Southern University, Baton Rouge, LA. Prior to his selection as Chief of Engineers, General Ballard served as the Chief of Staff of the Army's Training and Doctrine Command, Fort Monroe, Va. He served in a wide variety of command and staff positions in the U.S. and overseas, including Commanding General of the U.S. Army Engineer Center and Fort Leonard Wood. General Ballard served two combat tours in Vietnam.

General Ballard's military awards include the Distinguished Service Medal, Legion of Merit (three awards), Bronze Star Medal (two awards), Defense Meritorious Service Medal, and the Meritorious Service Medal (four awards).

In addition to his military honors, the Council of Deans of Historically Black Colleges and Universities and the Career Communications Group recognized General Ballard as the 1998 Black Engineer of the Year. He is also the 1998-1999 president of the Society of American Military Engineers and a member of the National Engineering Honor Society, Tau Beta Pi.

General Ballard is a native of Oakdale, LA. He is married to the former Tessie LaRose of New Orleans, LA., and they are parents of three daughters: Mrs. Dawn Stewart, Mrs. Taras Copeland, and Mrs. Makyba Frazer.

15 posted on 09/29/2005 8:14:08 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Bush to Blanco to "tighten up", so she called her plastic surgeon)
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Check out post #15... Life sure has some strange twists.


16 posted on 09/29/2005 8:21:05 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Bush to Blanco to "tighten up", so she called her plastic surgeon)
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On clintins watch

On clintin's watch

On clintin's watch

On clintin's watch....etc., etc., etc.


17 posted on 09/29/2005 8:21:32 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for our country than anyone will ever know. He's a man of honor.)
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To: budvol

On clintins watch

On clintin's watch

On clintin's watch

On clintin's watch....etc., etc., etc.


18 posted on 09/29/2005 8:21:33 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for our country than anyone will ever know. He's a man of honor.)
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Oh, now that's interesting.


19 posted on 09/29/2005 8:32:19 PM PDT by McGavin999 (We're a First World Country with a Third World Press (Except for Hume & Garrett ))
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"A 1998 ruling, by an administrative judge for the Corps' Board of Contract Appeals, shows that the contractor, Pittman Construction, told the Corps that the soil and the foundation for the walls were “not of sufficient strength, rigidity and stability” to build on."

Wow, I must have missed the part where Bill Clinton, Algore, Hillary, and the LA 'Rats were all over this matter in the 1990s and demanded that ample funds be allocated to do the job right. I must have missed the part where decades of NOLA and LA officials addressed their responsibilities properly and protected the city from hurricanes. I surely must have missed the moment when all the 'Rats in LA made NOLA levies their #1 priority, because we all know how OUTRAGED they are that the Bush administration had not saved the 'Rats from their own corruption, malfeasance, and incompetence.
20 posted on 09/29/2005 8:34:07 PM PDT by Enchante (Would you trust YOUR life to Mayor Nagin or Governor Blankhead?)
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