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To: NormsRevenge

I still disagree with your rambling reasoning, or perhaps it's malproductive...because you still assert that it's best to "not alienate" "gay voters" while allowing this legislation to, what, pass? To pass based upon a faulty and offensive set of principles because a governor doesn't want "to offend" some voters? Who mostly don't/won't/haven't voted for him anyway?

It's a tough line to govern for everyone, even those you know revile you (I can imagine) but in the end, successful government either acknowledges constituents or it doesn't and wins or loses based upon that fine thing. I'm not suggesting any elected IGNORE the voters who don't agree with the politicians, respectively, I'm just saying again AS TO THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE, "gay voters" are already "alienated" about nearly any and all issues important to conservatives and while I don't consider Schwarzenegger to be a conservative, per se, I do think he's the closest thing in CA we have to one in government who'se managed to get elected.

However, his election was a tenuous experience, to my view and I DID read each and every voter breakdown afterward as to percentages of what percentages representing what and whom...and what Schwarzenegger and the GOP in CA did was get Schwarzenegger into the Governor's office by a minority of minority numbers of voters, not a majority as if Schwarzenegger had run in a usual and ordinary campaign. In effect, he received less votes for the Governor's office than Grey Davis did when he won the office earlier, prior to recall. SO, Schwarzenegger has about one choice as I see things now, if he is to win a reelection in the state in an open campaign against other candidates from the Democrats.

And that is to emphasize, recognize and campaign to his conservative voter supporters. His moderate record and even liberal record as to some issues has already cost him support from some of that slim minority who voted for him in the recall.

I'll vote for him again, however, I'm not pleased about having to do so, based upon the past two weeks with his office (other issue, not related to this one), BUT, the alternatives are worse. So, I consider a vote at this point for Schwarzenegger as a vote against a Democrat gubernatorial candidate. That's about it, unless Schwarzenegger makes a radical turn to the right in the next weeks. He really needs to, to a conservative right. His "I'm the Governor for all the people" thing isn't working too well but I do doubt that any one person can govern CA well by that standard. Even Reagan couldn't and he was reviled by the Democrats here and by all liberals of all sorts. And Pete Wilson was nearly ripped up by them.

So, Schwarzenegger's moderate positions have enabled him to moreorless stay where he is but I can't say it'll be sucessful for a re-election on an open and ordinary campaign statewide. And because of that, UNLESS Schwarzenegger comes clear in representing conservative voter interests and, yes, values, and tries to "not offend" the liberal voters, he's in trouble for a re-eletion.


164 posted on 09/30/2005 8:07:14 AM PDT by BIRDS
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To: BIRDS

stow your puffy platitudes about me hating the GUb or inferring I want himm to fail.

I don't like many of his policies and definitely feel he has chosen many of the wrong people for positions.

Thanks for what you think happened in the process leading up to the Recall and the pandering to a shrinking base as well..

Things could get worse? Oh boy.

certainly not cheaper no matter who is in office is about all I can say at this point.


165 posted on 09/30/2005 8:19:04 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: BIRDS
It's a tough line to govern for everyone, even those you know revile you (I can imagine) but in the end, successful government either acknowledges constituents or it doesn't and wins or loses based upon that fine thing...

His "I'm the Governor for all the people" thing isn't working too well but I do doubt that any one person can govern CA well by that standard.

Thanks for such a constructive post.

168 posted on 09/30/2005 8:28:12 AM PDT by b9
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To: BIRDS
I was gonna retract my "puffy platitudes" remarks but then in rereading the rest of the pararaph, I question why some make me out the ogre of the thread .

I still disagree with your rambling reasoning, or perhaps it's malproductive...because you still assert that it's best to "not alienate" "gay voters" while allowing this legislation to, what, pass? To pass based upon a faulty and offensive set of principles because a governor doesn't want "to offend" some voters? Who mostly don't/won't/haven't voted for him anyway?

Need I remind you the Gub won because a lot of conservatives showed up to vote Yes to the recall and an even larger number(but fewer conservatives) including a majority of cross over voters including gays and liberals picked aRnie out of the long list of candidates.

PS,, malproductive is not a word. .. but I will add it to the list of things my "rambling reasoning" has caused me to be labled as .. ;-)

169 posted on 09/30/2005 9:17:36 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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