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To: KMJames
Let me see if I got this: We don't know where life came from, we don't know where matter came from, we don't know where nothing came from - BUT - we sure know that it wasn't created. Do I got it?

No, you not got it.

Science can say nothing either way about the supernatural claims like "creation". Science is the study of the natural. Science can say that phenomenon x appears to have the following explanation which may contradict some religions. If you have one of those religious faiths that may present a problem to you. For example the Bible used to be cited as a clear authority for a stationary earth at the centre of creation, but this denial over time just made the Christian church look very, very stupid. Christianity also resisted lightning rods, as attempting to defy God's manifest will that certain buildings should be destroyed. Problem was the brothel with a lightning rod got spared, while the nearby church got hit. How could God be resisted so easily? Let's have that St Augustine quote again.

"Usually even a non-Christian knows something about the Earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience .... Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for a non-believer to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics."

I know from reason and experience that the theory of evolution is broadly true. The evidence for it in numerous correlating fields of study is literally overwhelming. "Disgraceful and dangerous" sums it up the entirely religiously inspired resistance to it perfectly.

285 posted on 09/29/2005 3:09:24 PM PDT by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: Thatcherite
Let's have that St Augustine quote again.

Was this taken from Augustine's review of Origin of Species?

Also, how can you accuse "Christianity" of resisting lightning rods - that's like saying that "Evolution" promoted Piltdown man.

403 posted on 09/29/2005 10:09:18 PM PDT by KMJames
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