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To: razorbak
The problem with blaming the murders of Communism and National Socialism on Darwin, Evolution and Science is that they didn't kill their millions because they disagreed upon Scientific interpretation. The Communists didn't even believe in Darwinian evolution, preferring the unsupported hypothesis of Lamarkian evolution as a mechanism for "Homo Sapiens" the thinking man, to become "Homo Communista" the unthinking man. The Nationalist Socialists were Christian and they sold the holocaust to the German people (a Christian people) as revenge for the killing of Christ.

There is a mechanism for settling disputes in Science, as it pertains to observable phenomenon that can be measured. The only way to get a FINAL settlement of a dispute in religion is to kill the heretics; as there is no way to objectively settle their competing claims.
269 posted on 09/27/2005 6:20:44 AM PDT by Mylo ( scientific discovery is also an occasion of worship.)
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To: Mylo

"The Nationalist Socialists were Christian..."

"I regard Christianity as the most fatal, seductive lie that has ever existed."—*Adolf Hitler

The Nazi leaders and ideologues were not Christians. They were pagan, some quite explicitly. For the rest, the ancient myths celebrated in Wagner became a pillar of their doctrine of Teutonic racial superiority.

Nazism was itself a "political religion," Cardiff University historian Michael Burleigh stresses in his magisterial "The Third Reich: A New History." It sought to displace the traditional church and command spiritual authority as well as temporal. Its special animus toward Jews was not religious but racial, and it "had one foot in the dark irrationalist world of Teutonic myth, where heroic doom was regarded positively, and where the stakes were all or nothing--national and racial redemption or perdition."

The Nazi attack on Christianity was widely understood at the end of World War II. William Shirer's "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" recounts the Nazi plan for the Christian churches: It included an intention to "exterminate irrevocably . . . the strange and foreign Christian faiths imported into Germany in the ill-omened year 800." Current denominations would be replaced by the National Church. Its altars would have only a copy of "Mein Kampf," with a sword to the left. The Christian Cross would be removed, replaced "by the only unconquerable symbol, the swastika."

"Adolf Hitler’s mind was captivated by evolutionary thinking—probably since the time he was a boy. Evolutionary ideas, quite undisguised, lie at the basis of all that is worst in Main Kampf and in his public speeches. A few quotations, taken at random, will show how Hitler reasoned . . [*Hitler said:] ‘He who would live must fight; he who does not wish to fight, in this world where permanent struggle is the law of life, has not the right to exist.’ "—*Robert E.D. Clark, Darwin: Before and After (1948), p. 115.

"I cannot deny that the theory of evolution, and the atheism it engendered, led to the moral climate that made a holocaust possible."—*Edward Simon, "Another Side to the Evolution Problem," Jewish Press, January 7, 1983, p. 248.


306 posted on 09/27/2005 11:32:36 PM PDT by razorbak
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