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So Who Is Right in Debate on Role of Global Warming?
NY Times ^ | 9/24/05 | Andrew C. Revkin

Posted on 09/23/2005 11:23:51 PM PDT by Crackingham

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To: Crackingham

>>hard to attribute to anything other than overall warming of the climate from the buildup of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse-gas emissions.

Horseapples. This is the worst sort of advocacy journalism, in bed with advocacy "science", which by the way is to real science what professional wrestling is to real wrestling.

Sun's Output Increasing in Possible Trend Fueling Global Warming
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1488845/posts


41 posted on 09/24/2005 5:13:29 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Crackingham

If the NYT would quit digging up dirt long enough to look up into the sky, they might notice the answer in right in front of them. The Sun.

Then they can hire John Edwards and Al Gore to help them prove that SUVs, George W. Bush, and chocolate milk shakes are causing the Sun to get hotter.


42 posted on 09/24/2005 5:16:01 AM PDT by auboy (Alabama The Beautiful)
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To: doug from upland

The construction of Thousands of Windmills in the American west is disrupting the natural west to east atmospheric flow. This weakened steering current cannot steer or shear the east to west moving Hurricanes to the extent that they did before.


43 posted on 09/24/2005 5:17:02 AM PDT by aumrl (BAN THE WINDMILLS!)
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To: Crackingham

U.S. Hurricane Strikes by Decade


Number of hurricanes by Saffir-Simpson Category to strike the mainland U.S. each decade.

Decade Saffir-Simpson Category1 All
1,2,3,4,5
Major
3,4,5
1 2 3 4 5
1851-1860 8 5 5 1 0 19 6
1861-1870 8 6 1 0 0 15 1
1871-1880 7 6 7 0 0 20 7
1881-1890 8 9 4 1 0 22 5
1891-1900 8 5 5 3 0 21 8
1901-1910 10 4 4 0 0 18 4
1911-1920 10 4 4 3 0 21 7
1921-1930 5 3 3 2 0 13 5
1931-1940 4 7 6 1 1 19 8
1941-1950 8 6 9 1 0 24 10
1951-1960 8 1 5 3 0 17 8
1961-1970 3 5 4 1 1 14 6
1971-1980 6 2 4 0 0 12 4
1981-1990 9 1 4 1 0 15 5
1991-2000 3 6 4 0 1 14 5
2001-2004 4 2 2 1 0 9 3
 
1851-2004 109 72 71 18 3 273 92
Average Per Decade 7.1 4.7 4.6 1.2 0.2 17.7 6.0

1 Only the highest Saffir-Simpson Category to affect the U.S. has been used.

Source:  National Hurricane Center

44 posted on 09/24/2005 5:17:05 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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To: A message
"I flew over Greenland on the way back from Europe last year. "

In 2000 I had a return flight on KLM from Amsterdam to Memphis that also flew over Greenland. It was fascinating to see.

I have had many flights since then but none have taken that more northern route.
45 posted on 09/24/2005 5:18:44 AM PDT by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava)
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To: reformedliberal
Gone from the curriculum, along with Logic and Basic Science.

Everytime we have a heatwave in a major city we read news reports about global warming.

Everytime we have a flurry of hurricanes we get bombarded with global warming.

But, when we have a blizzard, you do not hear a thing.

When we have a cold-snap, you do not hear about warming.

Liberals are opportunists --- and more and more people are catching onto their "cry wolf" hysteria.

46 posted on 09/24/2005 5:20:22 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: auboy
the answer in right in front of them. The Sun.

Be careful. Soon they will link our space program to solar warming!

47 posted on 09/24/2005 5:22:42 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: aardvark1

> I personally believe that hurricanes are changing their tactics and are no longer causing random disaster but are seeking areas and industries where humans are causing global warming and purposely going there to destroy them. <

No, it's because hurricanes hate our freedom. They're part of an Axis of EvilDoers, including Tornadoes, Blizzards, and Droughts.


48 posted on 09/24/2005 5:25:52 AM PDT by jaime1959
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To: Erik Latranyi
They better be careful. I may spill the beans that global warming is actually a side effect of hades warming caused by an influx of recent freedom fighter arrivals.
49 posted on 09/24/2005 5:28:21 AM PDT by auboy (Alabama The Beautiful)
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To: Crackingham

CO2 is only the third strongest greenhouse gas. The first is water vapor ( I'd like to see them tackle THAT one) and The second, methane. The two biggest sources of methane are: termites and cows. (According to my meteorology professor)


50 posted on 09/24/2005 5:50:25 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

There's a great little book out I had to read for my class in college called, How to Lie With Statistics. I just got it a couple years ago, so I believe it's still available. Once you read that, you will NEVER believe another study again.


51 posted on 09/24/2005 5:54:05 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: pepsionice

that's because those hurricanes occurred during the impending ice age.


52 posted on 09/24/2005 5:54:17 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: revtown

"But your point is even more apparent. 0.03% = 0.0003 or 3 parts out of 10,000..

And it's probably changed from 0.000297 to 0.0003 because of man."

So if man is reponsible for even as much as 10% of the CO2 levels and the Kyoto Treaty would have us cut back 10% on manmade emissions that puts the level decreased by 0.000003 of the THIRD strongest greenhouse gas. Wow, that really helps, doesn't it?


53 posted on 09/24/2005 6:02:40 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Crackingham
[But the authors of both analyses acknowledged that more data would be needed to confirm a link to human-caused warming.]

Even if the lie they spew so regularly was true; it would seem that they are indicating the world would be better without humans on it and so therefore there must be a reduction of people (abortion,homosexuality,etc.) and that your good ole government will see to it that this happens for the chilluns sake. Meanwhile, money and more money and bueracratic institutions must be increased (with great salaries and perks) to those experts involved in destroying our children for love sakes.
Meanwhile, they don't tell you things such as the fact that the sun is heating up (the polar icecaps are melting on Mars also) lest they lose their taxpayer funding and jobs taking away your rights for the good of the chillun.
It's a vast left wing conspirasy.
54 posted on 09/24/2005 6:04:22 AM PDT by wgeorge2001 (Has the pub Congress overturned the Supreme Court private property abomination ?Why not?)
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To: Crackingham

I am constantly amazed when the experts insist that there is one – and only one – reason for an occurrence. I do believe there is some global warming. It has happened several times in the past and will be followed by global cooling. Some is man made, most is a natural cycle. There is also a well documented cycle of hurricane activity.


55 posted on 09/24/2005 6:08:08 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: A message
Do any of these chicken littles know the hurricane frequency and strength of those storms in AD 1000, how about 6th century BC.

Do they bother to look at the first half of this century?
56 posted on 09/24/2005 6:09:49 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Whose right?
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/sun_output_030320.html
Sun's Output Increasing in Possible Trend Fueling Global Warming
By Robert Roy Britt
Senior Science Writer

NOT the clowns at the NYT!!!!!!!!!!


57 posted on 09/24/2005 6:13:49 AM PDT by G Larry (Honor the fallen and the heroes of 9/11 at the Memorial Site.)
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To: Crackingham
But the authors of both analyses acknowledged that more data would be needed to confirm a link to human-caused warming.

This is the key to the entire article. It means, in effect, "All the other discussions in this article, about what we can/should do about global warming is DRIVEL, because we don't have a CLUE whether anything WE are doing is affecting variations in climate." We have known for a century that there have been climate variations on the earth - and the most dramatic changes, at that, occurred long before the human population did anything that amounted to a spit in the ocean. So what's the whole point of the article? Undoubtably to ignore this sentence!

58 posted on 09/24/2005 6:17:24 AM PDT by Nevermore (Mad as Zell)
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To: Crackingham

>have warmed in a way that is hard to attribute to anything other than overall warming of the climate from the buildup of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse-gas emissions<

How about attributing WARMING to the SUN?

As opposed to rampant UNSCIENTIFIC SPECULATION about man-made causes?
The earth is NOT a closed system, which is the ONLY way these CLOWNS are able to "model" to reach their bogus conclusions.


59 posted on 09/24/2005 6:18:49 AM PDT by G Larry (Honor the fallen and the heroes of 9/11 at the Memorial Site.)
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To: ByDesign

Well if the Global warming greenies are right we want to INCREASE air pollution, by burning lots of dirty coal to get the particulate matter way up and reflect all that nasty solar radiation back into space.


60 posted on 09/24/2005 6:20:18 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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