Archeologists make historic discovery (Tomb of Odysseus)

The Madera Tribune ^ | 8/27/05 | Thomas Elias

[kosta50]

Elenil121, thank you so much for the ping. Kolo is Greek. I am not Greek but sometimes wish I were...

... for obvious reasons

But, being a Serb I don't count as a xenos. Rather, well, almost Greek, right Kolo? ;-)

[SunkenCiv]

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[SunkenCiv]

Windcatcher: One thing to watch for is if they find something with writing on it (Linear A?). The Greek alphabet is widely thought to have originated around the time of Homer, but it has been shown that the Greeks used other alphabets in earlier times. One is called Linear B, which was only recently deciphered and shows that, while the system of writing was totally different (much more like Egyptian hieroglyphics), the language and pronunciation were about the same. There is also another one called Linear A that is thought to precede Linear B but has never been deciphered (due to lack of adequate examples). I don't know the time frame of Linear A's use, but deciphering it could provide a valuable link between the modern Greek language and the proto-Indo-European languages.

Some minor quibbles. Linear B was a syllabary, rather than an alphabet. It seems to have been developed from Linear A. The example texts of Linear A are less numerous than those of Linear B, and AFAIK confined to Aegean islands. There are those who claim it conceals Greek, or some Semitic language, but both of those conclusions have been rejected by most scholars. It is evident that Linear A served a population which spoke a non-Greek language, and as the model from which Linear B was developed.

Linear A is also believed to be a syllabary, with some possible logographic characters, but until it is cracked, no one knows for sure. The possibility exists that it can't be cracked until a much larger body of texts is found, in particular, bilingual or parallel inscriptions of some sort (such as the same message in Linear B and Linear A).

If the language contained by Linear A is not known (or found someday) in another, known text (such as cuneiform), then it probably won't ever be cracked. This is not to say that there have not be claims to that end. :')

Linear A is much too recent ot have any connection with proto-Indo-European languages.

[SunkenCiv]

http://psp.manybooks.net/books/homeretext99dyssy10/1

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The Odyssey (tr Samuel Butler) by Homer. Page: 2

I shall not here argue the two main points dealt with in the work just mentioned; I have nothing either to add to, or to withdraw from, what I have there written. The points in question are:

(1) that the "Odyssey" was written entirely at, and drawn entirely from, the place now called Trapani on the West Coast of Sicily, alike as regards the Phaeacian and the Ithaca scenes; while the voyages of Ulysses, when once he is within easy reach of Sicily, solve themselves into a periplus of the island, practically from Trapani back to Trapani, via the Lipari islands, the Straits of Messina, and the island of Pantellaria;

(2) That the poem was entirely written by a very young woman, who lived at the place now called Trapani, and introduced herself into her work under the name of Nausicaa.

The main arguments on which I base the first of these somewhat startling contentions, have been prominently and repeatedly before the English and Italian public ever since they appeared (without rejoinder) in the "Athenaeum" for January 30 and February 20, 1892. Both contentions were urged (also without rejoinder) in the Johnian "Eagle" for the Lent and October terms of the same year. Nothing to which I should reply has reached me from any quarter, and knowing how anxiously I have endeavoured to learn the existence of any flaws in my argument, I begin to feel some confidence that, did such flaws exist, I should have heard, at any rate about some of them, before now.

[SunkenCiv]

Geography in The Odyssey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odyssey#Geography_in_The_Odyssey

[Little Ray]

Actually, there is some belief that the "Cyclopses" were a tribe with circles tatooed on their foreheads.

[SunkenCiv]

"Authoress of the Odyssey" (Samuel Butler)

Google

[SunkenCiv]

The Humour of Homer and Other Essays
Samuel Butler
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/12651/12651-h/12651-h.htm

The Note-Books of Samuel Butler
http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext04/nbsb10h.htm

[SunkenCiv]

In Search of the Real Troy
Saudi Aramco World | January/February 2005 Volume 56, Number 1
Graham Chandler, Photographed by Ergun Cagata
Posted on 02/20/2005 2:33:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1347422/posts

Was There a Trojan War?
Archaeology | May/June 2004 | Manfred Korfmann
Posted on 07/29/2004 11:43:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1181498/posts

Inscription in Carian and Greek
Anistoriton | 27 Dec. 1997 | (editors)
Posted on 07/17/2004 6:20:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1173453/posts

The Linear B Tablets and Mycenaean Social, Political, and Economic Organization
Lesson 25, The Prehistoric Archaeology of the Aegean
Revised: Friday, March 18, 2000 | Trustees of Dartmouth College
Posted on 08/29/2004 8:19:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1202723/posts

[SunkenCiv]

:'D

[SunkenCiv]

Greek Myths: Not Necessariliy Mythical
Source: New York Times
Published: 7/4/00 Author: JOHN NOBLE WILFORD
Posted on 07/07/2000 07:37:37 PDT by H.R. Gross
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3965eb3163de.htm

'Cyclops'-like remains found on Crete
CNN | Friday, January 31, 2003 Posted: 2:52 AM HKT (1852 GMT) | Editorial Staff
Posted on 02/01/2003 11:07:21 AM PST by vannrox
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/833994/posts

Research To Investigate Links Between Ancient Greeks And Modern Science Fiction
Science Daily | 2005-06-08
Posted on 06/08/2005 11:28:49 PM PDT by nickcarraway
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1419344/posts

Dinosaur Swallows Human
http://www.biblelandstudios.com/nuke/ | 12-24-04 | "Bibleland"
Posted on 12/24/2004 7:37:06 AM PST by BenLurkin
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1307943/posts?page=62#62

[Kolokotronis]

" But, being a Serb I don't count as a xenos. Rather, well, almost Greek, right Kolo? ;-)"

Absolutely, my Balkan brother!

[Kolokotronis]

Thanks for the ping. Below, "Sandy fingered Pilos", one of my favorite spots in the Patrida and about an hour from the ancestoral village! I choose to believe this is where King Nestor and the gang were sacrificing a bullock to Posidonos when young Telemachus and "grey-eyed Athena" arrived.

[Rocky]

A truly amazing find. How could they have kept this out of the press until now?

[eleni121]

But, being a Serb I don't count as a xenos. Rather, well, almost Greek, right Kolo? ;-)

---

As an Eleni myself - let me be the first to initiate you into the honorary Greek club. My Serbian students have done so for me - made me an honorary Serb...a wonderful honor.

I figured that "Kosta" - the quintessential Greek name was attached to a Greek...but this is even better - a fellow Orthodox Serb.

[kosta50]

As an Eleni myself - let me be the first to initiate you into the honorary Greek club

I think Kolo did, but what the heck, I will take it agaian!. Opa!

The honor is all mine, dear Eleni mou, as I once told Kolo, because we Serbs, and other Slavs, owe Greeks our life -- for it was through the Greeks that we received our Faith, our Church language and our alphabet! Who could ask for anything more?! You Greeks are our first spiritual fathers. What a blessing!

[eleni121]

One of the greatest heroes of the 20th century General Draza Mihailovich - never forget!

Serbian heroes

[kosta50]

One of the greatest heroes of the 20th century General Draza Mihailovich - never forget!

Thank you Eleni mou. His grave is even unknown. The Communists did not want his grave to become the monument of his martyrdom.

KOSTA

[Colorado Doug]

Bump to and old but good thread

[justshutupandtakeit]

Odessyus was very respected by the Greeks for his trickery and shrewness. He was turned to in many instances for his counsel and advice. No one doubted or was put off by his intelligence. Remember that he also tried to get out of going to the war in the first place by a dishonorable ruse. And his reputation was not damaged by that personally shameful act.

I think your theory is lacking particularly since the Greeks were not that opposed to tricks in war. Some of them were little better than sea raiders or pirates.