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Able Danger: Witnesses now allowed to testify (DOD changes mind)
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Posted on 09/23/2005 9:02:53 AM PDT by slowhand520

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To: hoosiermama

I don't know...the name sounded vaguely familiar to me the other day during the hearing...but I don't know why...


161 posted on 09/23/2005 8:19:02 PM PDT by Txsleuth (Arlington, Texas--future home of the Dallas Cowboys!)
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To: rodguy911
Why didn't he come down harder on Bubba. Why didn't he clean house of the Clintonistas in the 4,000 odd positions that he could control? There are lots of questions that are still there, the answers often defy logic.

There's an old saying--well, actually, I just made it up--that goes like this: Why kick your opponent in the groin when your jabs are whippin' his ass?

The Clintons have dodged this story and that story but they're not in power, will probably never be back in power and their party not only lost the last presidential election but seats in Congress. Sometimes we on the right fall prey to the very spin the MSM throws out there without remembering we're winning.

There was nothing to be gained by using Able/Danger right now, particularly with the hurricanes, SCOTUS confirmations, etc. going on. However there is still one story out there lurking about: Who leaked Valerie Plame's name? The prosecutor should be wrapping up the grand jury very soon. No matter what he comes up with the Democrats and the MSM will overplay it. What better way to knock it right off the front pages than to fry the Clinton Administration by showing it knew about Atta a year before the 9/11 attacks? Bush and Co. kill that and they kill the 9/11 Commission's report and credibility while the Dems are screaming about having another one just like it investigate the fed's "slow" reaction to Katrina.

Rove is a genius. We need to remember that.

162 posted on 09/23/2005 8:53:53 PM PDT by blake6900 (YOUR AD HERE)
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To: frogjerk

Well spoken by W, however, it will be forgotten. (I found this on only one website). He will not sink to their level of criticism. History has already proven himself a better Prez (Man) than Clinton. And, he will never have a condom named after him!!


163 posted on 09/23/2005 9:27:23 PM PDT by Marshall1
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To: slowhand520

There was no change of heart merely the grand drama designed to heighten interest. What could stimulate curiosity better than a "refusal" to testify?


164 posted on 09/23/2005 10:23:53 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Calm those nerves this was merely a little song and dance to make sure there would be continued interest in this slowly revealing the facts will keep up the interest level. Rummy is not trying to hide anything quite the contrary.


165 posted on 09/23/2005 10:26:05 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: hophead

This must reach a climax in the late spring and summer in time for use against the Evil Witch and the RATS in the fall elections. It cannot be ended too quickly.

I don't think you need worry about Bush's backbone or sense of timing.


166 posted on 09/23/2005 10:30:08 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: bmwcyle

Forget faxs. Letters are the most important means of communication. I just finished a batch to go to the Senators on the Intelligence Committee tonight.


167 posted on 09/23/2005 10:31:14 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Well, put yourself into this situation. You were a intelligence specialist...who was simply told to glean information...and you "gleaned" an awful lot. In fact, you had tons of info not only on bad guys...but also on Americans as well. And, lets just say...that most of these Americans were simply innocent bystanders....some of these Americans were conducting illegal wire transfers, bribes, and unethical affairs. And perhaps in the middle of this were a couple of politicans.

Add to this....after the gleaning...you realize that there are serious laws about US military folks gleaning info on American citizens (from the 1980s)...and you could actually face jail time.

So up and down the line, the intel specialist to the commander in charge...there are fears of jail time, and the distrubance of the American political landscape. It was nice to get info on bad guys...but your footprint went and touched alot of bankers, politicans, and regular people. Nope, can't have that...so destroy this program as quickly as possible and make it disappear.

If I were the intelligence guy here...I would be fearful of charges of collecting data against American citizens. I think DOD felt the same way. Everyone did what they were ordered to do, and never understood the laws at hand. I'm sure that GW told Rummy to let them go, and should trouble fall upon them...GW would just give a blanket pardon. Its better to honest about this.


168 posted on 09/23/2005 10:31:59 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: slowhand520

Sometimes the Pentagon has its collective head up its center hole. I imagine some idiot security-minded numbnuts were behind the stone-walling, believing in all their sincere obtuseness that the risk of compromise of some arcane intelligence-gathering apparatus is more important than the protection of this Republic, from enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC - i.e. the Clinton crime syndicate.

The truth be known, if the Clinton's ever return to power, none of these pinheads would survive the purges that would follow, and none of their precious little secrets would be secret much longer anyway. Bush probably told them "No way our kingdom'll be lost for some security twit in Sector 7-G."


169 posted on 09/23/2005 11:51:37 PM PDT by guitfiddlist (When the 'Rats break out switchblades, it's no time to invoke Robert's Rules.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Good job but if the fax machine is full in the morning, they do take notice. I have talk with aids of Congress.


170 posted on 09/24/2005 4:22:43 AM PDT by bmwcyle (We broke Pink's Code and found a terrorist message)
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To: Cicero
Bush must have intervened to produce this change of course, because they could have continued to hide behind the pretence that it would violate security rules.

Hmmmm. Maybe Bush is a FR lurker.

171 posted on 09/24/2005 4:41:38 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint

"Maybe Bush is a FR Lurker"

With the ugliness and vileness of the anti-Bush expressions on here, I hope he chooses his reading material very carefully.

I am not talking about reasoned debate over sincere differences of views on specific issues. I am talking about the dripping, oozing slime of personal insults, including his father, over and over and over, from the same people, gratuitously, on virtually every thread that they can possibly manage to ruin. The President has enough with the Terrorists and the Democrats and the Cindy Sheehans and the Media and the true RINOS in the Senate. So I hope if he lurks, he has learned to avoid or leave a thread, or to selectively read for important information.

He does not need their slop and drivel.


172 posted on 09/24/2005 4:57:13 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: txrangerette; Crackingham; Patriot from Philly
Have you seen this thread?  My take on it is a little different than Patriot from Philly's.

3 in 82nd Airborne Say Beating Iraqi Prisoners Was Routine

3 in 82nd Airborne Say Beating Iraqi Prisoners Was Routine
NY Times ^ | 9/23/05 | Eric Schmitt
Posted on 09/24/2005 5:09:01 AM EDT by Crackingham
 


Ah, another abuse story from the New York Times, timed perfectly to coincide with anti-war Saturday.

The Times and Cindy must be furious with Rita. They had everything ready to go - the polls, the hundreds of thousands of marchers, the routine Americans, the grieving mothers, and now, the abusing soldiers. And.Rita had to ruin everything!!!
 

5 posted on 09/24/2005 5:31:56 AM EDT by Patriot from Philly
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To: Patriot from Philly
Ah, another abuse story from the New York Times, timed perfectly to coincide with anti-war Saturday.

I am a bit more cynical--the first thing I thought of was the decision to allow testimony in the Able Danger inquiry.
 

31 posted on 09/24/2005 6:55:01 AM EDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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I still think we are seeing a carefully orchestrated game of chess.

173 posted on 09/24/2005 5:15:24 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: txrangerette; johnny7
And now I read the WaPo is jumping into the frey

Claim Atta Was Named Debated [Hadley denies being given 'Atta chart'] posted by johnny7

All in the wake of the Pentagon reversing its decision not to allow testimony. No such thing as coincidence, especially in DC.

174 posted on 09/24/2005 5:23:44 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Cicero

"Is that so? Somehow I hadn't noticed that detail. Awkward, because even if it was holdover clintonoid sympathizers who ordered it, Bush may deserve some of the blame for not cleaning out the crooks he inherited from clinton. I look forward to learning more."

Sorry. I'll confess that at this point I have become confused about the sequence of events and am no longer sure if my statement was correct.


175 posted on 09/24/2005 5:48:26 AM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

If Able Danger was solely a Bush administration 'problem'... it'd be on page one. It would have been 'The Cindy Sheehan' story-of-the-summer.


176 posted on 09/24/2005 6:41:52 AM PDT by johnny7 (“I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean sh_t.”)
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To: slowhand520
I heard whispers that Rumsfelds (sp) name may come up
Perhaps the DOD is going to pull a 9-11 Commission
Bait n Switch? Meaning, gloss over all the incompetence of the Clinton administration and imply the current administration was the one who actually dropped the ball.
Note the media silence on this? UGH~
177 posted on 09/24/2005 9:41:44 AM PDT by Cindy_Cin
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To: lonevoice

"Another perfect Rovian Storm. Excellent."

Ditto


178 posted on 09/24/2005 9:42:45 AM PDT by Pride in the USA
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To: Congressman Billybob
Did you know admiral Schaeffer (I think thats his name) one of the men scheduled to testify lost his security clearance due to a $67 cell phone bill?
Yet Sandy Berger did not lose his! That fact alone sends a cold chill down my spine!
179 posted on 09/24/2005 9:46:20 AM PDT by Cindy_Cin
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To: Cindy_Cin

"Did you know admiral Schaeffer (I think thats his name) one of the men scheduled to testify lost his security clearance due to a $67 cell phone bill?"

Tis late in the thread, and you need not respond. But Shaffer was an Army Colonel. During his time as operational liason officer between the DoD (departiment of defense) and the Able Danger team who worked for DIA (Defense Intellegience Agency) a department under the DoD, he was a major in the US Army.


180 posted on 09/24/2005 10:29:00 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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