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To: js1138; betty boop; Dark Knight
Thank you for your reply!

I am not convinced that science cannot probe the beginning of space and time. That may seem like a distinction without a difference, but space and time are accessible to science.

Indeed, scientific cosmology probes the beginning as far as it can go. But science is completely lost without causality and therefore it can only speak to theories of pre-existing causal branes and other such geometries. Theology and philosophy and their various cosmologies are not restricted by causality.

Concerning your Shakespearean metaphor - the parallels would be:

a. Meaning - Theology and Philosophy

b. Information - Math/Physics

Information, which we paraphrase as successful communications (Shannon) is the action of communicating not the content of the message. The components of the model are source, message, encoder, channel, decoder, receiver and noise. The same mathematical model applies whether telecommunications, computers, molecular biology or Shakespeare.

c. Actual Text - Biology/Chemistry

In Shannon's mathematical theory of communications, this is the message content which is sent. If we were talking about molecular biology instead of Shakespeare this would be the genetic message in DNA including tRNA.


382 posted on 09/27/2005 1:14:03 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
Theology and philosophy and their various cosmologies are not restricted by causality.

Nor are they constrained by any need to be correct or incorrect, except as formalisms.

385 posted on 09/27/2005 1:42:03 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Alamo-Girl

You seem to be, at heart, a logician, and I, at heart, a poet.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.


386 posted on 09/27/2005 1:45:19 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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