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Sub commander relieved of duty following crash
AP ^ | 9/21/5

Posted on 09/21/2005 4:28:16 PM PDT by SmithL

GROTON, Conn. -- The commander of a U.S. nuclear submarine that collided with a Turkish cargo ship in the Persian Gulf this month was relieved of command Wednesday and two other officers were reassigned, the Navy said.

Cmdr. Steven M. Oxholm put the submarine in a hazardous situation, a Navy investigation found, and he received a letter of reprimand. The Groton-based USS Philadelphia was traveling on the surface of the Gulf on Sept. 5 when it slammed into the bulk carrier M/V Yaso Aysen.

Citing a lack of confidence in Oxholm's ability to command, Rear Adm. John Bird relieved him of his duties. Oxholm will return to Submarine Group Two, based in Groton, for a new assignment.

Nobody was injured and the damage was minor.

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cargoship; navigationbybraille; relieved; submarine; turkey; usn; ussphiladelphia
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A collision at sea can ruin your whole day.
1 posted on 09/21/2005 4:28:17 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: Doohickey; judicial meanz; submarinerswife; PogySailor; chasio649; gobucks; Bottom_Gun; Dog Gone; ..

PING for another career shot.


2 posted on 09/21/2005 4:30:44 PM PDT by SmithL (There are a lot of people that hate Bush more than they hate terrorists)
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To: SmithL

Hell, It will ruin his whole career


3 posted on 09/21/2005 4:31:41 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: SmithL

It seems that everytime the Navy crashes a boat or sub, they end up taking it out on the commander.


4 posted on 09/21/2005 4:32:00 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (What Would Howard Roarke Do?)
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To: SmithL

"...A collision at sea can ruin your whole day...."

Not to mention a Naval Officer's career!


5 posted on 09/21/2005 4:32:12 PM PDT by Aggie Dad
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To: SmithL
"A collision at Sea can ruin your whole day." --Thucydides

Tack on 25 centuries and "your career".

6 posted on 09/21/2005 4:33:32 PM PDT by Textide
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To: SamAdams76

And your point is?


7 posted on 09/21/2005 4:34:01 PM PDT by caisson71
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To: SmithL

Right or wrong, isn't this pretty much SOP?


8 posted on 09/21/2005 4:34:36 PM PDT by A.Hun ("I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do" Heinlein)
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To: SamAdams76
It seems that everytime the Navy crashes a boat or sub, they end up taking it out on the commander.

That's the Navy Way.

9 posted on 09/21/2005 4:34:51 PM PDT by SmithL (There are a lot of people that hate Bush more than they hate terrorists)
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They ran into a bulk carrier while running on the surface. WHO was on watch??? Anyone?

That thing has a radar return the size of a Walmart, and the sonar signature of a Mack truck. I bet they sack more than just the CO. XO and COB ought to be next.


10 posted on 09/21/2005 4:35:53 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: SmithL
Most careers leave room for human error. Sub commander is not for the weak kneed.
11 posted on 09/21/2005 4:36:09 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: SmithL

Thank you for your service Commander.


12 posted on 09/21/2005 4:38:16 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: BykrBayb

You got that right.
Error is not an option in the subfleet


13 posted on 09/21/2005 4:39:02 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: SamAdams76

Keelhauling and the lash aren't an option, firing is the next best thing.


14 posted on 09/21/2005 4:41:13 PM PDT by csvset
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To: SamAdams76
Sort of the buck stops at the top, I am sure several others will find their careers shortened.
15 posted on 09/21/2005 4:41:27 PM PDT by boomop1
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To: SmithL

Last I knew, simply putting your destroyer on a nice soft sandbar at low tide was enough to get you relieved of command.
The Navy has very high standards.

That being said, whenever I hear about something this blatantly obvious, I wonder what "the rest of the story" is. Was there some covert reason to want to stop that particular ship without resorting to torpedoing it?
Call me paranoid, but I find it difficult to believe that any crew in the US Navy could screw up this badly.


16 posted on 09/21/2005 4:45:52 PM PDT by Ostlandr (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Blueflag

US Navy ships run on the surface under EMCON (Emissions Contorl) which means all radars and active sonars are turned off to prevent their electronic signatures from being detected and recorded by an enemy. I don't know what passive sonar capability is for a SURFACED submarine. With Iran on the other side of the Gulf, you'd better believe that sub was running under EMCON. At most, there might have been some small navigation radars running.

A submarine running surfaced would probably (I'm an ex-carrier sailor, so I don't know for sure)place some kind of running/anti-collision lighting on (if this happened at night), but with such a low profile it's possible for lookouts (if any) on the Turkish ship to miss them).

I'm admitting to having not read the entire article, but, the blurb above did not mention if the sub was running surfaced at night (which would help mitigate the circumstances; it's possible that Turkish ship was also running without lights).

In any case, since the skipper is the man in charge, his is the head that rolls, regardless of who had the conn at the time of the accident.


17 posted on 09/21/2005 4:49:40 PM PDT by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Sh*t since 632 AD...)
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To: Ostlandr

Shoulda been aboard in 1986 when the Enterprise grounded on a sand bar in Tokyo Bay, in daylight, with Japanese harbor pilots alongside. Took us two days to get off that sucker with the help of tugs.


18 posted on 09/21/2005 4:51:20 PM PDT by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Sh*t since 632 AD...)
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To: csvset
"Keelhauling and the lash aren't an option"
Well, one might distribute his rum ration to the rest of the crew for the time being.
19 posted on 09/21/2005 4:59:02 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: Wombat101

If a boat is lighted then it is lighted with legally required running lights, stern light and Sub ID light (orange strobe 3 sec period).


20 posted on 09/21/2005 5:01:58 PM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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