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To: A. Pole
You cannot separate people from their labor and people should not be treated as commodity. The system that treats working people as commodity is evil.

Bravo. You have stated the basic premise exactly. It is evil to alienate human beings from their labor, and it is equally evil to commodify human beings. Any system that does these things turns human beings into disposable "human resources", and thus insults the One Who created human beings.

A system in which human beings and their labor are intrinsically valuable will necessarily operate at a lower level of efficiency than a laisser-faire system. Nevertheless, it is better for a society to suffer the inefficiencies produced under a moral system of economics than to "prosper" by treating human beings as cattle.

Unrestrained capitalism (rightly known as "economic liberalism") has nothing to do with true conservatism as traditionally practiced in the West. Thank you for exposing the root of the problem.

296 posted on 09/20/2005 8:35:17 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: B-Chan
Bravo. You have stated the basic premise exactly. It is evil to alienate human beings from their labor, and it is equally evil to commodify human beings. Any system that does these things turns human beings into disposable "human resources", and thus insults the One Who created human beings.

I give up. You think protectionist tariffs "to protect workers" are the Will of God now? They're special favors given to big contributors - the unions and manufacturing interests. They become an utter blight to the rest of the economy as an extra tax. It's a indirect redistribution of wealth from the importer to the producer - from a productive individual to a less productive one. Not to mention that the revenue raised by the government is wasted just as much.

The secular socialists in this country are egging you on as you advocate ever more destructive taxes and tariffs to prop up decayed special interest producers.

You deserve all the commensurate misery those destructive economic policies will reap.

301 posted on 09/20/2005 10:03:17 AM PDT by v. crow
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To: B-Chan
Any system that does these things turns human beings into disposable "human resources", and thus insults the One Who created human beings.

Valid science and commerce must stand on a spiritual foundation.   Someone has 'integrity' when values and actions are integrated.   Let's agree that it's silly to try and salvage half baked economic arguments by calling the other guy a heretic; that reverence for the One has to include self-discipline and study.  I believe that free markets, even banks charging interest, are good; I base this on a wealth of scripture that includes Mathew 25;27 ("oportuit ergo te committere pecuniam meam numulariis, et veniens ego recepissem utique quod meum est cum usura.").   Perhaps you'd agree that it's morally wrong to end an argument by calling the other guy 'evil'.  Please continue and tell us how increasing tariffs is reconciled with your understanding of "the One Who created human beings"?

302 posted on 09/20/2005 10:56:02 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: B-Chan
A system in which human beings and their labor are intrinsically valuable will necessarily operate at a lower level of efficiency than a laisser-faire system. Nevertheless, it is better for a society to suffer the inefficiencies produced under a moral system of economics than to "prosper" by treating human beings as cattle.

I agree. Still there are various efficiencies and that inhuman system might change people into soap or sausages more efficiently is not necessarily efficient advancement of the general welfare.

313 posted on 09/20/2005 8:08:34 PM PDT by A. Pole (Gov.Gumpas:"But that would be putting the clock back, have you no idea of progress, of development?")
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