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To: Bigun
Just because YOU are fixated on the TAXES alone does not mean that there are not other costs imposed on the economy by the income tax system.

But those are not 'embedded taxes' no matter how you spin it. It has always been 'embedded taxes' plus all those other costs. I agree there are other costs, but the numbers used by fair taxers are a joke. Those costs are closer to $100 billion or less than $500 billion plus many fair taxers think.

86 posted on 09/17/2005 7:33:56 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
Don't like hearing it from me? Well perhaps someone else with a somewhat higher profile might convince you.

Here is an excerpt from remarks made by The John M. Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics at George Mason University, Dr. Walter E. Williams, in March of this year to a standing-room-only crowd of students, faculty, and guests at Hillsdale College's Constructive Alternatives Seminar:

"...Keep in mind that a working definition of slavery is that you work but do not have any rights to the fruit of your labor. Taxation and regulation constitute confiscation of some or all of the freedom to own and use property. This confiscation has reached unprecedented proportions. In 1902 expenditures at all levels of government totaled $1.7 billion, and the average taxpayer payed only $60 per year in taxes. In fact, from 1787 to 1920, federal expenditures never exceeded 4 percent of the Gross National Product (GNP), except in wartime. Today federal expenditures alone are $1.8 trillion - almost 30% of GNP - and state and local governments spend over a trillion more. The average taxpayer now pays more than $8,000 a year, working from January 1 to May 8 to pay federal, state, and local taxes. In addition to the out-of-pocket cost, Americans spend 5.4 billion hours each year complying with the federal tax code - roughly the equivalent of 3 million people working full time. If it were employed in productive activity, the labor now devoted to tax compliance would be worth $232 billion annually. The federal cost of hiring 93,000 IRS employees is $6 billion. If these Americans weren't fooling around with the tax code, they could produce the entire annual output of the aircraft, trucking, auto, and food processing industries combined..." Emphasis added.

And he is ONLY talking about costs of compliance here!

89 posted on 09/17/2005 7:43:49 AM PDT by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: Always Right
But those are not 'embedded taxes' no matter how you spin it.No they are not and I have never said otherwise. The eliminated taxes alone are but a portion of those costs removed which will allow prices to drop.
93 posted on 09/17/2005 8:01:01 AM PDT by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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