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To: mac_truck; PeaRidge
the South was in no way prohibited from any of the activities promoted by either the Warehousing Act or the Navigation Act. Failure to do so leaves a rather large hole in your 'unfair economic practices led the South to leave' paradigm

That's like saying the North was in no way prohibited from taking advantage of the cotton gin or the slave system, and their failure to do so left a rather large hole in the 'unfair economic practices led to separation' paradigm.

Tell me, is there anything, today, preventing North Dakota from taking advantage of coal subsidies? Or gaining benefit from a steel tariff? It seems those would be acts tartgeted to benefit states like West Virginia or Pennsylvania, regardless of where they apply.

900 posted on 10/10/2005 3:10:53 AM PDT by Gianni
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To: Gianni
[mac] the South was in no way prohibited from any of the activities promoted by either the Warehousing Act or the Navigation Act. Failure to do so leaves a rather large hole in your 'unfair economic practices led the South to leave' paradigm.

[G]That's like saying the North was in no way prohibited from taking advantage of the cotton gin or the slave system, and their failure to do so left a rather large hole in the 'unfair economic practices led to separation' paradigm.

Nonsense Gianni. Take a look at what the Warehousing Act of 1854 says.

Sec. 4. And be it further enacted, That all goods, wares, and merchandise, which may be hereafter duly entered for warehousing under bond, and likewise all merchandise [not] now remaining in warehouse under bond, may continue in warehouse, without payment of duties thereupon, for a period of three years from the date of original importation, and my be withdrawn for consumption on due entry and payment of duties and charges, or upon entry for exportation, without the payment of duties, at any time within the period aforesaid; in the latter case, the goods to be subject only to the payment of such storage and charges as may be due thereon: Provided, however, that where the duties shall have been paid upon any goods, wares, or merchandizes entered for consumption, said duties shall not be refunded on exportation of any such goods, wares, or merchandizes, without the limits of the United States: and provided further, That there shall be no abatement of the duties, or allowance made for any injury, damage, deterioration, loss or leakage sustained by any goods, wares, or merchandise, whilst deposited in any public or private bonded warehouse established or recognized by this act.

The Warehousing Act didn't specify that the imported merchandise must reside in the North or the South, and Charleston [like New Orleans] was an active seaport involved in international trade. All that was required was a warehouse to store the imports AND an economic reason for doing so.

Either Southern businessmen lacked the business acumen [or carpentry skills] to take advantage of the Warehousing Act, or warehousing large quantities of imports in the South did not make economic sense to them. If the latter is true, then the assertion that the South was a huge consumer of imported goods and by consequence paid a disproportionate amount of the tariff on them is false.

The same logic may be applied to the phony premise that the Navigation Act was detrimental to the South. Even casual research on Southern seaports of that time would reveal that they were ship builders in their own right, especially of smaller craft that could be used in domestic traffic. A requirement that merchandise delivered from one domestic port to another be done on an American built and owned vessel in no way prevented the South from building, buying or owning such vessels.

[G] is there anything, today, preventing North Dakota from taking advantage of coal subsidies? Or gaining benefit from a steel tariff? It seems those would be acts tartgeted to benefit states like West Virginia or Pennsylvania, regardless of where they apply.

Another poorly drawn analogy that doesn't fit the circumstances here. In addition to their own seaports, the South enjoyed the competitive advantage of having the major export product [cotton] grown closer to their own seaports than any in the North. If they had been a bit more diligent about developing a diverse economy that included storage and distribution facilities, they could have benefited quite well from the Navigation and Warehousing Acts. Failure to do so was no one's fault but their own.

906 posted on 10/10/2005 8:13:31 AM PDT by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: Gianni
Tell me, is there anything, today, preventing North Dakota from taking advantage of coal subsidies?

No. North Dakota has the Freedom Mine, the 11th biggest in the US and bigger than any in PA or WV.

921 posted on 10/10/2005 3:27:16 PM PDT by Heyworth
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