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To: Gianni
Why not continue? The ratification document went on to say:

"With these impressions with a solemn appeal to the Searcher of hearts for the purity of our intentions and under the conviction that whatsoever imperfections may exist in the Constitution ought rather to be examined in the mode prescribed therein than to bring the Union into danger by a delay with a hope of obtaining Amendments previous to the Ratification, We the said Delegates in the name and in behalf of the People of Virginia do by these presents assent to and ratify the Constitution recommended on the seventeenth day of September one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven by the Federal Convention for the Government of the United States hereby announcing to all those whom it may concern that the said Constitution is binding upon the said People according to an authentic Copy hereto annexed in the Words following..."

Nowhere in the Constitution does it allow a state to resume powers granted to the federal government. The people who wrote the ratification document may have thought so, but they were mistaken in their belief. Unless, of course, you're maintaining that the ratification document trumps the Constitution?

What are you two gonna call me next?

Oh the possibilities are endless, and will depend on what you post next.

518 posted on 09/26/2005 4:21:02 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Nowhere in the Constitution does it allow a state to resume powers granted to the federal government.

Sigh, it must be PROHIBITED to the states. Even Hamilton admits that powers may be resummed by those delegating them:

[T]he confederacy may be dissolved, and the confederates preserve their sovereignty. ... The definition of a CONFEDERATE REPUBLIC seems simply to be ''an assemblage of societies,'' or an association of two or more states into one state. The extent, modifications, and objects of the federal authority are mere matters of discretion. So long as the separate organization of the members be not abolished; so long as it exists, by a constitutional necessity, for local purposes; though it should be in perfect subordination to the general authority of the union, it would still be, in fact and in theory, an association of states, or a confederacy. The proposed Constitution, so far from implying an abolition of the State governments, makes them constituent parts of the national sovereignty, by allowing them a direct representation in the Senate, and leaves in their possession certain exclusive and very important portions of sovereign power. This fully corresponds, in every rational import of the terms, with the idea of a federal government.
Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 9, 'The Union as a Safeguard Against Domestic Faction and Insurrection'

'I trust the friends of the proposed Constitution will never concur with its enemies, in questioning that fundamental principle of republican government, which admits the right of the people to alter or abolish the established Constitution, whenever they find it inconsistent with their happiness.'
Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 78, 'The Judiciary Department'

539 posted on 09/26/2005 10:19:56 AM PDT by 4CJ (Tu ne cede malis!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
The people who wrote the ratification document may have thought so, but they were mistaken in their belief. Unless, of course, you're maintaining that the ratification document trumps the Constitution?

This is another true gem from you.

What if the ratification document had said, "Piss off, we don't need you." Certainly, then, it would trump the Constitution.

633 posted on 09/29/2005 3:14:39 AM PDT by Gianni
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