[mac_truck]

I'm curious, ... do you consider Patrick Henry a traitor as well?

Your bilious editorializing aside, the answer is no.

"The first thing I have at heart is American liberty; the second thing is American union; and I hope the people of Virginia will endeavor to preserve that union." -Patrick Henry June 5 1788

[Gianni]

Your bilious editorializing aside, the answer is no.

Your interruption aside, I didn't ask you... psycho.

I figured you were busy enough, still trying to develop some period refutation of the Virginia ratification or evidence of Lee's incompetence in planning the 7 Days battle.

[4CJ]

"The first thing I have at heart is American liberty; the second thing is American union; and I hope the people of Virginia will endeavor to preserve that union." -Patrick Henry June 5 1788

'Nay, sir, there is another alternative to which I would consent; even that they should strike us out of the Union' - Patrick Henry, 5 Jun 1788. The very same DAY.

[Colonel Kangaroo]

The pro-Confederate people from the 1860s to today like to point out the equivalence of the Revolution and the secession of the 1860s. It seems to me that the Revolution was undertaken reluctantly in defense of liberties only after long provocation, while the secession was anxiously jumped at on account of a flimsy pretext in the defense of the wealth and "property" of a privileged elite. "Give me liberty or give me death" reflects a stronger cause than "give me slaves or give or give my poor neighbor who can't get out of the draft death".