No. I point out that Congress itself saw no illegal act, they refused to act because secession was legal.
If the previous Federal government had lived up to its Constitutional responsibility many lives would have been saved (imo).
Please document thsi alleged Constitutional responsibility to preserve the union.
While Secession may have been Constitutional in theory, as carried out by the Confederates in 1860 it was illegal and treasonous.
The governments in question were republican as required. Conventions were assembled, a vote was taken. The sovereign power of each state - a power higher than the legislature and Constitution - met, and voted to change their form of government. There is nothing illegal or treasonous about it. The Confederates publicy renounced their former allegiance to the federal republic, met in convention to creat a new one. They did not wage war on the federal government nor attempt to overthrow it - they exercised their God given right to self-government.
Secession in 1860 violated the USC in numerous ways. It was a violation of judicial power [Art III section 2] ...
Article III §2 The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction; to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party; to Controversies between two or more States; between a State and Citizens of another State; between Citizens of different States; between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects. [Later modified by Amendment XI]Specifically what clause was violated?In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.
The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.
... it was fraudulent [Art IV section 2]...
Article IV §2 The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.Specifically what clause was violated?A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.
No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, But shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.
...and downright criminal [Art III section 3].
Article III §3 Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.Only citizens could be charged with treason - non citizens cannot. Citizens receive protection from their government - not attacked by it! The states absolved their allegiance to the federal republic. Not longer citizens, and only defending themselves from attack, they were not traitors, just as George Washington was not a traitor and stated 'they who had committed no fault wanted no pardon.'The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
However, if you wish to wear your Christian Identity on your sleeve, so be it.
When YOU can't win a debate this is your retort, to accuse someone of racism, of being a vile and despicible? You post like you're a member of the Taliban.
[4CJ] No. Yes. I point out that Congress itself saw no illegal act, they refused to act because secession was legal.
Their inaction was meaningless with regard to the ultimate question of the legality of those actions taken by the secessionists in 1860. That's probably why you continue to bring it up.
Please document thsi alleged Constitutional responsibility to preserve the union.
The US Constitution delineates the responsibilities of three separate but co-equal branches of government, and the concept of secession was a Constitutional matter. The second section of Article 3 states that "The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution" . If Secession were legal and equitable under the Constitution as you presume, where is the petition to the court whose power extends to ALL cases?
Conventions were assembled, a vote was taken. The sovereign power of each state - a power higher than the legislature and Constitution - met, and voted to change their form of government.
Fraud. There is no Fourth branch of government. The State has NO power to invalidate the citizenship of Americans living within their borders who are guaranteed equal treatment/protection under the US Constitution, or to decide the disposition of Federal land and property. This is just one of a myriad of examples of how the secessionists trampled on the US Constitution on their way out the door.
They did not wage war on the federal government nor attempt to overthrow it..
Nonsense. Of course they did, from the attack on Ft. Sumner... to Gov. Pickins memo to Davis offering to send troops to DC.
...they exercised their God given imagined right to self-government hold other men in chains.
Only citizens could be charged with treason - non citizens cannot.
One of the most annoying aspects of dealing with you neo-secesionists is the dishonest way you bob and weave around the US Constitution. You commit treason then claim it doesn't apply because you held a sham election, then claim you were acting in the same manner as Geo. Washington.
At least Washington [et al] didn't pretend that their Revolution was legal under existing law, or that the consequences of their action wasn't the gallows rope. Why don't you gray diaper babies man up for a change and admit what happened in 1860 was a failed attempt at revolution, not some Constitutionally protected legality?
When YOU can't win a debate this is your retort, to accuse someone of racism, of being a vile and despicible?
Bwahaha! Like so many thin skinned neo-rebs, you can dish it out but you can't take it. You accuse me of racism against native indians on a regular basis and it rolls off my back, yet when I obliquely raise the issue you have a hissy fit. A simple disavowal would be sufficient.