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To: PeaRidge
And despite all that, South Carolina didn't think to mention it in their declaration, and instead just keeping talking on and on about slavery. Ultimately all of the south's objections to the tariff can be seen as merely another aspect of their defense of an economic system that hypocritically trumpeted the virtues of free trade while standing on the backs of slave labor.

It's interesting, for example, that the rising price of slaves ( at a time when it's claimed the institution was on its last legs) led the Southern Commercial Convention to adopt a resolution calling for renewing the slave trade, maybe on those new ships Charleston was building.

1,036 posted on 10/20/2005 2:22:33 PM PDT by Heyworth
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To: Heyworth; PeaRidge; Non-Sequitur
And despite all that, South Carolina didn't think to mention it in their declaration,

And once again... we're not talking about Southern motivation for secession, but Northern objection to it.

This is the third time I've had to remind you of the basic subject, meaning you're trying to pull what we call a "Non," where you start discussing a point, get to the bottom-level detail, then integrate the smallest factoid back up into something that was never discussed in the first place.

1,038 posted on 10/21/2005 3:14:37 AM PDT by Gianni
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To: Heyworth
"And despite all that, South Carolina didn't think to mention it in their declaration, and instead just keeping talking on and on about slavery."

I don't see the word slavery:

...................South Carolina

December 20, 1860

AN ORDINANCE to dissolve the union between the State of South Carolina and other States united with her under the compact entitled "The Constitution of the United States of America."

We, the people of the State of South Carolina, in convention assembled, do declare and ordain, and it is hereby declared and ordained, That the ordinance adopted by us in convention on the twenty-third day of May, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, whereby the Constitution of the United States of America was ratified, and also all acts and parts of acts of the General Assembly of this State ratifying amendments of the said Constitution, are hereby repealed; and that the union now subsisting between South Carolina and other States, under the name of the "United States of America," is hereby dissolved.


Done at Charleston the twentieth day of December, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty.

Source: Official Records, Ser. IV, vol. 1, p. 1.

"Ultimately all of the south's objections to the tariff can be seen as merely another aspect of their defense of an economic system that hypocritically trumpeted the virtues of free trade while standing on the backs of slave labor."

You are inclined to attribute slave labor dependency only to the South. It would seem that the North was also standing on the backs of slave labor:

10/30/1860 George N. Sanders, On the Sequences of Southern Secession, "To the Republicans of New York who are for the Republic", New York,

"Our federal treasury is now empty, or will be, on the 4th of March, relying on daily supplies from imposts, which will be reduced fifty per cent by the loss of our southern exports. Our federal treasury could not count on more than twenty-five millions a year from imposts after the South had left us. We would therefore have at once to resort to income, poll, and every other sort of taxation, to keep up our present expensive machinery--not to speak of the conduct of an offensive war."

"It's interesting, for example, that the rising price of slaves ( at a time when it's claimed the institution was on its last legs) led the Southern Commercial Convention to adopt a resolution calling for renewing the slave trade, maybe on those new ships Charleston was building."

Interesting, perhaps, but of no consequence.

.....Constitution of the Confederate States.......

...................Section IX.

The importation of negroes of the African race from any foreign country other than the slaveholding States or Territories of the United States of America, is hereby forbidden; and Congress is required to pass such laws as shall effectually prevent the same.
1,043 posted on 10/21/2005 8:13:42 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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