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To: samantha
I have heard several comments from Citizens living near where the 200 ft section of the levee was destroyed. They clearly stated that they saw a grain barge smash through to the other side.

Just to add a relevant detail - it isn't "THE" levee. More than one was breached.

The levee that has a barge sitting outside of it is the Inner Harbor Navigational Canal. There was also a breach of the 17th Street levee.

698 posted on 09/04/2005 10:04:10 AM PDT by Cboldt
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I have heard several comments from Citizens living near where the 200 ft section of the levee was destroyed. They clearly stated that they saw a grain barge smash through to the other side.

Just to add a relevant detail - it isn't "THE" levee. More than one was breached.

Another relevant detail that needs to be pointed out: the barge didn't "smash" through the levee - it was "pulled" through. Whoever witnessed it did not really understand the science of what they were seeing.

Even a huge barge does not possess the mass to smash through a wall of earth the size of a levee. There is one force, however that can - the slow, relentless pressure of water against a semi-permeable surface.

What happened was that because a great deal of the material used to construct the levees was the most easily available loose delta soil and miscellaneous debris, which will not compact and solidify well, as the water pressure increased water began to actually penetrate and seep through the levee walls. As this process accellerated, the seeping water began to, in a very real sense, actually flow through the levee walls. As it did the walls were gradually eroded from within.

What this meant was that an observer viewing the levee from above would be seeing what appeared to be a levee that was "holding", but it would really be washing away below, out of sight. This process would continue until enough material was eroded to allow the visible top of the levee to collapse and then observers could see the water pouring through. In reality, however, the water had been pouring through long before that.

That's what the observer of the barge saw - it didn't smash through, it was drawn by the invisible pull of the water directly to that point on the levee where the unseen flow caused the top of the levee to crumble and collapse.

There is an important lesson in this scenario that needs to be remembered whenever the immediate crisis is over and talk turns to the decision whether to rebuild New Orleans on the present site or relocate it. Because of the nature of the construction of the current levees, they probably would not have held for long even if they had been twice as high.

Some serious study needs to be given as to just what types of levee material and construction would be strong enough, and also whether even good, solidly-built levees would have the necessary sub-statum support to keep them from sagging and cracking as the already-observed area-wide compaction and sinking progresses. The dynamics of this collapse provide strong arguments for the case to relocate the city.

788 posted on 09/04/2005 11:20:38 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat (This tagline space for rent - cheap!)
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Both 17th Street and "barge passed through" broken levees can be found in here. The barge is visible too, as are a number of other barges further up the canal.

854 posted on 09/04/2005 12:39:28 PM PDT by Cboldt
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