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Hastert: Rebuilding below sea level senseless
AP via WWLTV ^ | 09/01/2005 | AP

Posted on 09/01/2005 2:22:16 PM PDT by zencat

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To: politicalwit

oops ;)


201 posted on 09/01/2005 3:36:28 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Alberta's Child
I'm on Hastert's side on this one. He's firing the first shot in what will eventually become a mountain of public opinion against rebuilding New Orleans.

What he says makes sense. I think it will be political suicide for the R's, however to push this point. NO will rebuilt exactly where it is. You and me will pay the taxes to insure the insurance companies against loss in the next hurricane. Watch it happen.

202 posted on 09/01/2005 3:37:08 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: mark502inf

Gretchen Carlson on Fox is just yuck. Send her back to CNN because she still asks the same inane clueless questions as every other liberal talking head. What were they thinking? I've about had all of her I can take.


203 posted on 09/01/2005 3:37:22 PM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: wideawake

N.O. has faced this problem for nearly 300 years. They been talking about fixin' it for just as long. Those damn sneaky french.


204 posted on 09/01/2005 3:38:03 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: zencat
Hastert: Rebuilding below sea level senseless

He's right.
205 posted on 09/01/2005 3:38:09 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: inquest
If there's an economic need

So, there might not be a need for the most significant port in the South?

206 posted on 09/01/2005 3:38:35 PM PDT by RightWhale (Load counter)
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To: fooman
So do we then say ANY concentration of people is too much of a risk and limit city size?

If it could be done, it would be great. There really is no longer any need for big cities. They have always been, except in a few cases such as Tokyo, breeding grounds for corruption and crime. And "big" starts well below NO's 1/2 million. Cities which are more spread out (Omaha has about 4/5 th the population, but not near the density as NO) can be bigger. People aren't "designed" to live like ants in a mound.

207 posted on 09/01/2005 3:40:15 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: RightWhale

I agree, and not only that but in the long run this could actually be good for the economy and those who choose to jump in. Undoubtedly it will hurt us for awhile. But the end result just may be prosperous.


208 posted on 09/01/2005 3:40:41 PM PDT by Sweetjustusnow ("Let them revere nothing but religion, morality and liberty." John Adams)
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To: zencat
Hastert is the first politician that has talked some sense in this whole hurricane matter.
209 posted on 09/01/2005 3:41:36 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: zencat

Makes good sense.

On the other hand, look at Amsterdam and Rotterdam in the Netherlands.


210 posted on 09/01/2005 3:42:31 PM PDT by roaddog727 (P=3/8 A. or, P=plenty...............)
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To: RightWhale
I didn't say there wasn't a need. I do, however, reserve judgment on whether there's a need for a port city to be in that exact spot, especially given that rivers are no longer as essential to commercial traffic as they used to be. But regardless, I'm quite confident that the free market can make that decision rather well.
211 posted on 09/01/2005 3:44:14 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: finnman69
Turn the entire city into a memorial park. Libs love memorial parks.

Now that's funny.......and true!

212 posted on 09/01/2005 3:44:42 PM PDT by Jackknife ( "I bet after seeing us, George Washington would sue us for calling him 'father'." —Will Rogers)
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To: politicalwit
Put Washington DC on that list.

That other city built in a swamp you mean? The difference being that it's far enough up the Potomac which in turn is well up the Chesapeake Bay, to be pretty safe from Hurricanes, the few that make it that far north in any strength that is.

213 posted on 09/01/2005 3:45:28 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Uncle Hal

And he will probably be forced to resign by the end of next week.


214 posted on 09/01/2005 3:46:54 PM PDT by nairBResal
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To: dirtboy
He's right. New Orleans is going to keep sinking - which means it could be 40 feet below sea level, then 45...

There is higher ground to the west. Levee off the French Quarter as a tourist town, and re-locate the residential and manufacturing facilities to the west.

And build a canal to deal with the eventual shift of the Mississippi channel down the Atchafalaya. Do it once and do it right.

I am getting tired of you being right all the time. :-)

Two things they could do to help, because they aren't likely to follow your advice. They could get off all ground water sources and start taking river water to replace it. That would stop the subsidence and it may eventually reverse itself as the water table recovers. Raise and shore up the levees. Some of those buildings around St. Louis Cathedral are reportedly the oldest existing structure in the U.S. Many in the French Quarter are almost as old. Jean Lafitte, the pirate, supposedly was a regular at the Old Absinthe house. That part would need to be saved if nothing else, as you suggested.

Until the past few years the water was pumped out of the city, even when it rained, by three approximately 300 year old pumps of French manufacture. (Yeah, I know, will wonders never cease.) They were replaced I understand and the replacements don't seem as reliable.

Years ago, perhaps when the levees were built in 1927, the Corp of Engineers included a number of spillways along the way to control the flow of the river and to relieve flooding conditions. One of those was the Bonnet Carre Spillway above Baton Rouge where the Red River met the Mississippi and the Atachafalya Basin began. As you know, the Atachafalya River was also a part of the old river bed and that the Mississippi would at times have its main flow through there. (After large floods, as the flood water was receding, the Mississippi changed courses through that area many times. It is really the more natural path. ) For fear of Isolating New Orleans, they keep the Bonnet Carre either closed or nearly closed to keep the Mississippi in its present banks. As all attempts to control Mother Nature do, this created problems of its own. Silting and levee erosion are just two of them.

215 posted on 09/01/2005 3:47:20 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Conservative Texan Mom

Absolutely. This has been my point all along. Cities will always be where there is a port. It is necessary for transportation infrastructure to get goods from port. This means people must be there. Where there is a thriving trade, such as there is at ports, people must also live. We have the technology. Now if we just have the foresight and will to use it.


216 posted on 09/01/2005 3:47:58 PM PDT by Sweetjustusnow ("Let them revere nothing but religion, morality and liberty." John Adams)
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To: ARCADIA
The industrial bit will certainly be rebuilt; but, it will be a long time before the broader residential area comes back.

Actually the opposite. Residential single family homes are usually the first to be rebuilt. Might be a bit different in NO, because about 1/2 the homeowners are not insured. FEMA has a poor track record in rebuilding and getting people out of "Temporary" housing.

217 posted on 09/01/2005 3:50:10 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Sweetjustusnow

It has happened often enough in America's history. Between disasters and just tearing down old stuff to put new and better in place, the entire urban structure has been constantly updated and the economy has profited by the investment over and over.


218 posted on 09/01/2005 3:50:38 PM PDT by RightWhale (Load counter)
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To: Conservative Texan Mom
By the same token, Galveston never really recovered, and steadily lost prominence the young upstart city of Houston. (Which was only about 10-15% bigger in population than Galveston in 1900)
219 posted on 09/01/2005 3:52:50 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: dirtboy

Hastert: Rebuilding below sea level senseless

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exactly, AGREE! - swampy wetlands just like the properties getting over developed in Florida. So many greedy and sun worshippers are in denial about a lot of things concerning these water zones going up way too fast without a care about what will happen 30 years down the road.


220 posted on 09/01/2005 3:53:38 PM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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