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To: Shalom Israel; Jim_Curtis
he objects to the fact that they're speaking Spanish and working for low wages. In other words, he's angry about all the wrong things, and his anger is far broader than the issue of secure borders.

What's the end result of him opposing illegal immigration and you opposing it, since you assert you do? Do you oppose it any more or do you get a medal because you oppose it for the right reasons? The law is the law, even if as you claim Jim wants it enforced so he won't have to speak Spanish in that dishwashing job he's always wanted (although he should be allowed to express his position himself without benefit of being put on your analyst couch)---it doesn't matter why people want it enforced.

257 posted on 08/31/2005 4:21:18 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Map Kernow
What's the end result of him opposing illegal immigration and you opposing it, since you assert you do?

I answered that question a half-dozen times already: the difference is that this guy also opposes legal immigration.

it doesn't matter why people want it enforced.

I matters quite a bit. If the motivation is racism, then enforcing immigration law isn't the only action one will take; one will also do rotten things to american citizens in the hated group. For example, this guy states that "his" job is being taken by illegals--but how does he know they're illegal? Has he seen their green cards? Did he see them sneak across the border? Maybe some are illegal--but are they all illegal? He seems to think they are. Why? Because his real objection is to job competition, not to illegal immigrants. He is opposed to anyone who takes a job for lower wages than he would like to receive.

258 posted on 08/31/2005 4:25:14 PM PDT by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Map Kernow
What's the end result of him opposing illegal immigration and you opposing it, since you assert you do? Do you oppose it any more or do you get a medal because you oppose it for the right reasons? The law is the law, even if as you claim Jim wants it enforced so he won't have to speak Spanish in that dishwashing job he's always wanted (although he should be allowed to express his position himself without benefit of being put on your analyst couch)---it doesn't matter why people want it enforced.

The issue of a common language is important for several reasons but the context in which I brought it up was specific to the case he was trying to make...one I've heard often...that the cheap workers from Mexico will lead to promotions for everyone else. I pointed out that you will only be promoted to foreman if you can speak Spanish. His response was to stop whining and learn the foreign language then.

269 posted on 08/31/2005 4:50:09 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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