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Autistic boy dies during controversial treatment
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | 8/24/2005 | Karen Kane and Virginia Linn

Posted on 08/24/2005 3:09:44 PM PDT by Born Conservative

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To: Born Conservative

Well, just at the moment, I deal with the OTHER sort.

So I AM bitter, but I hear what you are saying.


21 posted on 08/24/2005 3:38:34 PM PDT by tiamat ("If some guy named Marduk calls, tell him I'm not home! ")
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To: Albion Wilde
Rebuttal to Quackwatch
22 posted on 08/24/2005 3:38:58 PM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: merry10

Yes.

Good thoughts for you and your little girl, BTW!


23 posted on 08/24/2005 3:39:42 PM PDT by tiamat ("If some guy named Marduk calls, tell him I'm not home! ")
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To: The Phantom FReeper

It's done at all sorts of private clinics.


24 posted on 08/24/2005 3:40:08 PM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: JmyBryan
It's highly unlikely the boy died from EDTA if they were watching his creatinine.

The problem is that we don't even know if it was a medical professional doing the chelation. And even if it was, they obviously are taking chances by performing this, since it is an unproven therapy for an unproven cause to autism (mercury).

25 posted on 08/24/2005 3:40:51 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("If not us, who? And if not now, when? - Ronald Reagan)
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To: konaice

He's going to lose not only his license, but his freedom for the next 25 years.


26 posted on 08/24/2005 3:42:55 PM PDT by darkangel82
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To: tiamat

I'm not discounting that you deal with the other; there's still a lot of ignorance out there. My point is that the cause of autism has never been decided on, many consider the mercury theory to be bogus, and thus, chelation to bind mercury to treat autism is quackary.


27 posted on 08/24/2005 3:43:15 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("If not us, who? And if not now, when? - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Born Conservative

I agree they were taking foolish chances if not using medical people. But the treatment itself, while controversial and maybe useless for autism, is not really dangerous if administered correctly.


28 posted on 08/24/2005 3:44:05 PM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: JmyBryan

Sorry but chelation is absolute fraud. Not to mention lethal for that autistic boy. The docs performing should have their licences removed.


29 posted on 08/24/2005 3:44:10 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: FormerACLUmember

Well now that you put it that way, I'm convinced you pretty know everything. Congratulations.


30 posted on 08/24/2005 3:46:55 PM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: JmyBryan
But the treatment itself, while controversial and maybe useless for autism, is not really dangerous if administered correctly.

Not really dangerous unless administered by a quack professional that's not monitoring labs, or the child develops a fatal arrhythmia (not likely, but still possible). I've administered EDTA numerous times in the past (as well as BAL in oil-OUCH),and never saw any problems, but the children were being monitored daily with lab work.

31 posted on 08/24/2005 3:47:14 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("If not us, who? And if not now, when? - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Born Conservative

We absolutely agree.


32 posted on 08/24/2005 3:48:55 PM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: lepton
EDTA has a number of chemical properties, including an attraction for heavy metal ions with which it readily binds. It is this property that recommends it for use as a chelating agent, a class of chemical compounds that are supposed to do just that. However, the value of this "therapy" is questionable, and EDTA has other properties that may make it dangerous in high doses.

It's also used as a buffer for acid/base titrations, if I recall my quantitative analysis.

33 posted on 08/24/2005 3:49:15 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: FormerACLUmember

Sounds like my aunt and uncle. They left no stone unturned trying to help my cousin, so I guess that makes them notorious. A parent will move heaven and earth to help their child.


34 posted on 08/24/2005 4:00:11 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: Born Conservative

Sorry if i seem prickley.

I'm just dealing with a lot of that sort of thing.

School's about to start, so I am more sensitive to it than usual.


35 posted on 08/24/2005 4:02:07 PM PDT by tiamat ("If some guy named Marduk calls, tell him I'm not home! ")
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To: TheSpottedOwl

Desparation is the mother of exploitation.


36 posted on 08/24/2005 4:02:23 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: tiamat

No problem; I understand.


37 posted on 08/24/2005 4:05:42 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("If not us, who? And if not now, when? - Ronald Reagan)
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To: merry10; tiamat

My aunt and uncle came out to visit about 20 years ago. Jamie was a teenager at the time, and it was already difficult to control him. I remember we went to Marineland(used to be a smaller version of Sea World), and the stares we got were incredibly rude.

Eventually he had to be placed in a board and care facility. No one knows how he ended up autistic. He was normal when he was born, but suffered a high fever when he was 2, and after that he became autistic. I've heard speculation about vaccines, but nothing solid.

You both have my sympathy.


38 posted on 08/24/2005 4:14:46 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: IronJack
It's also used as a buffer for acid/base titrations, if I recall my quantitative analysis.

That's what I was recalling. Thanks.

Stoichiometry, EDTA, Phenolphthalein, micro-gram scales. That's been a while.

EDTA is in a lot of stuff.

39 posted on 08/24/2005 4:19:19 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

Hello, Spotted Owl~

The "magic' age for autism seems to be right around age 2: that's when it seems to become apparent.

My daughter has just been re-diagnosed with Asperger's, and high-functioning at that.

And yeah, the public can be a real bear.


40 posted on 08/24/2005 4:20:03 PM PDT by tiamat ("If some guy named Marduk calls, tell him I'm not home! ")
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