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To: spunkets; Admin Moderator; wideawake
THe comment was relevant and not a personal attack.

Oh yeah, sure. Claiming without any basis that someone would countenance torture is not personal.

The given History is not a tactic, nor was the conclusion.

First of all, it was not your historical comments I was referring to. I was referring to your insinuation that religious ID advocates would use torture if they had the chance. Saying such a thing is a debating tactic, albeit a bad one.

But come to think of it, dredging up irrelevant, unsavory 800-year-old events from the history of your opponent's Church is also an innappropriate debating tactic.

Your use of the word hate is also inappropriate, since "hate" was in no way a motivation for the post, or any of it's contents.

Baselessly claiming someone is willing to torture innocent people is hateful under any reasonable definition of the word.

You do not do the cause of advancing scientific understanding any good with such rhetoric.

I urge you to cease and desist.

297 posted on 08/24/2005 4:39:45 PM PDT by curiosity (.)
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To: curiosity

That's better. You can stand for science and against bigotry, no mutual exclusivity there at all.


298 posted on 08/24/2005 4:42:18 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (Atheism is not conservative!)
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To: curiosity
"First of all, it was not your historical comments I was referring to. I was referring to your insinuation that religious ID advocates would use torture if they had the chance."

Read the post and try to understand it.

"come to think of it, dredging up irrelevant, unsavory 800-year-old events from the history of your opponent's Church is also an innappropriate debating tactic."

Read the post my post is a reply to. Then show where the church in question is the poster's church. I referred to "IDers" in general and called their art a con.

It is a scientific con. That's a sin. If you have a problem with my pointing out that Pope Innocent IV sinned as I clearly showed, then show he didn't. I brought up Pope Innocent IV's sin, because the poster proposed that the religion of the Pope's victims might be a suitable arbitrary designer. Now I know damn well folks aren't going to honestly consider that a possibility.

" You do not do the cause of advancing scientific understanding any good with such rhetoric."

I exposed the con Behe and the other leaders are playing. That regards sin, not science. The science was addressed elsewhere. I made no claim that anyone other than the IDers are involved in it. That means the perpetrators of it.

304 posted on 08/24/2005 5:07:15 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: curiosity
I urge you to cease and desist.

I urge you to knock off the personal attacks.

310 posted on 08/24/2005 5:15:54 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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