[Diamond]

Again, science studies what is real and can be readily observed by anyone. It also takes as unique, the simplest natural force(s), or process of forces. Supernatural forces are the art of shaman's, not scientists.

Again, your statement is a philosophical statement about science, not a statement of science. It is not itself an empirical construct.

...science studies what is real

Do you believe that science itself operates according to the laws of physics, that science itself, like everything else is purely physical, and material in nature, or, in other words, what you call "real"? If not, then on what basis do you imply that "the laws of physics govern the world"? But if the laws of physics govern the world how can scientists act as objective observers unless they themselves transcend the laws of physics, and how can they transcend the brute forces of physics if they are simply and nothing but a part of them?

Cordially,

[spunkets]

Re: Again, science studies what is real and can be readily observed by anyone. It also takes as unique, the simplest natural force(s), or process of forces. Supernatural forces are the art of shaman's, not scientists.

"Again, your statement is a philosophical statement about science, not a statement of science. It is not itself an empirical construct."The first sentence refers to what can be studied by the scientific method. The second refers to convention. The APS, ACS, NAS, ect all agree to that convention. The convention is "NATURAL" entities and forces not SUPERNATURAL entities and forces." That's usually implied and most folks understand that. Scientist should definitely understand and follow that convention, because the supernatural is arbitrary claim only and is not subject to the scientific method.

The empirical constructs in science are the mathematical representations for any particular entity(ies) and representations for the interactions of those entities.

"on what basis do you imply that "the laws of physics govern the world"?

They govern all physical phenomina. The phenonina simply react according to their nature, always in the same consistent way. The laws are representations of that reality contained within conscious conception.

"if the laws of physics govern the world how can scientists act as objective observers unless they themselves transcend the laws of physics"

They don't transcend the laws of physics. Scientists are simply sentient machines. The physics provides the basis for the machine.

" how can they transcend the brute forces of physics if they are simply and nothing but a part of them?"

By being careful. Sometimes however, there's nothing one can do to avoid the inevitable.