Evolution Debate creates monster [Flying Spaghetti monster, to be exact]

Lawrence Journal-World ^ | August 24, 2005 | Scott Rothschild

[spunkets]

"slander"

I think libel would be the proper word and a class aciton suit on the behalf of leaders of the ID movement is in order. Even so, I think you're just thin skinned and over reacting.

[Liberal Classic]

In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. Many people believe that it was created by some sort of God, though the Jatravartid people of Viltvodle Six firmly believe that the entire Universe was in fact sneezed out of the nose of a being they call the Great Green Arkleseizure.

The Jatravartids, who live in perpetual fear of the coming of a time that they call The Coming of the Great White Handkerchief, are small blue creatures . However, the Great Green Arkleseizure theory was not widely accepted outside Viltvodle Six, and so one day a race of hyper-intelligent beings built themselves a gigantic computer called Deep Thought to calculate once and for all the answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything.

[Dimensio]

The theory of gravity is very easy to prove.

Really? Explain what causes gravitational attraction and prove the cause.

[Dark Knight]

So why are there so few practical applications of NS?

Electricity is ubiquitous. The practical application of that subset of physics is enormous.

Dynamics, thermodynamics, statics, material science, chemistry subsets, electronics, etc.

When biology grows up, and it is growing. But asserting that NS is underpinning theory of all biology, inviolate, and absolute truth...is over the top.

Even talk origins when discussing practical NS/Evolutionary applications had the following entry which is hilarious:

>>Directed evolution allows the "breeding" of molecules or molecular pathways to create or enhance products, including:

* enzymes (Arnold 2001)
* pigments (Arnold 2001)
* antibiotics
* flavors
* biopolymers
* bacterial strains to decompose hazardous materials.

Directed evolution can also be used to study the folding and function of natural enzymes (Taylor et al. 2001). <<

Directed evolution is a euphemism for Intelligent Design.

DK

[curiosity]

The reason I so strongly object to your post, in addition to having a general distaste for such ad hominem arguments, is that it is exactly the kind of rhetoric that reinforces the false notion that evolution=atheism.

[jwalsh07]

FWIW, my tagline is a joke. RightWingAtheist and I were having a "discussion" on a fetal pain "scientific paper", actually politics disguised as science by folks who are pro abortion, and his/her tagline said "Creationism is not conservative!"

Well being somebody who believes that God created it all and having walked the conservative talk during my lifetime, I found that rather inane and amusing.

Thus the tagline "Atheism is not conservative!" which of course is as meaningless as "Creationism is not conservative!".

[Ben Chad]

LMAO - Bravo

[Ben Chad]

FSM - Finite State Machines - will never be the same.

[spunkets]

"Asserting groups of people are wont to torture and murder because they have differing beliefs than you do is bigotry. You're a bigot."

It's my observation from the historical record and elsewhere that folks that lie about stuff, would kill regarding the same motivation, unless otherwise sure of sanction. That's not necessarily true, because folks have a conscience. I'm not the only one to have recognized that fact. One of the tools of the tyrant is the lie. Folks weilding that tool generate proper suspicion in others about how far they would go to promote their agenda.

Now I realize the IDers have a conscience, so I would never insist that I actually knew at what point any particular IDer would stop at to promote their agenda. The same goes for the democrats in general, should the topic have included, or have been them. Pope Innocent IV did not stop at torture, nor did he stop the murder to promote his agenda. That's a matter of history. So the presumption of sainthood for liars don't apply. Proper suspicions do.

My comment was meant for those that conjure up ID, that I know are engaged in careful fraud and that is clear from the original post. If they have a problem with my suspicion that they would stop at nothing to promote their agenda in the absence of effective sanction, they can KMA and if anyone is offended because I do, the same applies.

[jwalsh07]

Living life as a bigot can be very trying. My heart bleeds for you.

[Abogado]

Bobdsmith said:

Evolutionary computation techniques utilising darwinian evolution have been used to search for solutions to real-life problems. There have been patented circuit designs produced, and a genetic algorithm has been used to design wing shape on aircraft. In many cases the evolutionary algorithm manages to find solutions human designers haven't even thought of.

Anybody else see the irony?

[spunkets]

That why you pulled your tagline.

[csense]

I urge you to knock off the personal attacks.

I would urge you to do your friggin job a little more consistently. Better yet, strike that, since you can't improve on something you're not even doing.

[bobdsmith]

enlighten me

[js1138]

meltdown placemarker

[Abogado]

enlighten me

OK. This thread is generally about evolution versus Intelligent design. The terms "Evolutionary computation," "evolutionary algorithm" indicate evolution occurring via ordered structure and/or formula. I.e., the terms combine and arguably reconcile both argument positions

[bobdsmith]

ah i see

[Admin Moderator]

Yeah, whatever.

[CobaltBlue]

A nice moire certainly is complicated, but lovely.

[RobbyS]

I found this interesting: When dealing with difficulties, such as the elaborate structure of the human eye, Darwin had chosen his words carefully: if it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications. my theory would absolutely break down." Wilberforce was not impressed. What kind of logic was it that asked leave to advance "as true any theory which cannot be demonstrated to be actually impossible?"

One problem is that some exponents of ID are simply taking up Darwin's wager, while others are adherents to Wilberforce's natural philosophy. Not many are "young earth" fundamentalists but some of their supporters seem to be. Many scientists who oppose ID seem unaware that this debate ever happened, or that they belong to a school of philosophy.