Evolution Debate creates monster [Flying Spaghetti monster, to be exact]

Lawrence Journal-World ^ | August 24, 2005 | Scott Rothschild

[shuckmaster]

Lookie here...

[Vaquero]

there are no missing links......keep up with the times....there are slow smooth transitions upward during times of plenty...then more abrupt ones which are caused by environmental changes and or catastrophes....but they are there....in black and white and the whole process from amobea to man has been going on for billions of years...WAKE UP. you can believe in God and still embrace tangible realities......they are not mutually exclusive.

[Quick1]

NS is a theory. It has warts. ID is a theory. Not sure what it has. ID is certainly NOT a theory. It has no testable, falsifiable hypothesis, and as such, can never become a scientific theory.

[wideawake]

Both accounts you cite are reducible to distinct points of view: the Chinese account is materialist and the Hindu account is creationist.

Interestingly, the Chinese account postulates the evolution of man from parasites, and the Hindu account postulates the direct role of the deity in forming creatures.

[firewalk]

Flying Spaghetti Monster bump

[Vaquero]

It is there in the fossil record...pick it up an look at it....and please don't hide behind conservatism.....there are more than enough of us men of science behind that rock with you...it is not your exclusive bailiwick and you give it a bad name.

[Salgak]

The whole point here is simple. We have people trying to make the point that "Intelligent Design" is NOT science, it is religion masquerading as science. It's a pity they had to go reductio ad absurdium to prove the point, but CREATIONISM IS RELIGION. Teach it in Religious Studies classes. Evolution is the current scientific theory, and it should be taught in science classes.

[Gumlegs]

ID is certainly NOT a theory. It has no testable, falsifiable hypothesis, and as such, can never become a scientific theory.

Yeah, but aside from that.

[wideawake]

Maybe you should check your facts.

You prove my point.

Gravity is an observable phenomenon - a fact - which we cannot yet satisfactorily explain in detail, and there are therefore different theories regarding its nature - the particle/wave debates, string theory, etc.

Biological diversity is an observable phenomenon - a fact - which we cannot yet satisfactorily explain in detail, and there are therefore different theories regarding its nature - evolutionary theory, design theory, etc.

[Gritty]

"...there is no more sense to intelligent design than there is to a Flying Spaghetti Monster"

When they run out of rational arguments, they retreat into ad hominem attacks and creating strawmen.

[Recovering Ex-hippie]

Evolution is NOT incompatible with Christinity.

Most Catholics ( who are Christian ) believe in the science of evolution and don't purport to know that God created the earth in 6 24hr days...which is a human conception.

Now they are putting stickers in physics textbooks in Georgia that says "Gravity is not a proven theory". This is getting really out of control. Science is the gift that God gave mankind. How we use it is up to us. My faith is much bigger than "somebody's " idea of creation.

[Quick1]

Biological diversity is an observable phenomenon - a fact - which we cannot yet satisfactorily explain in detail, and there are therefore different theories regarding its nature - evolutionary theory, design theory, etc.

When was Intelligent Design elevated to the level of Theory? It has no testable, falsifiable hypothesis.

[Dark Knight]

Uhhh, yeah it could. The designer could show us directly that this is how they did it. We could reproduce the information and verify it. We could base predictions on that information.

I think were gonna figure it out before that happens.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster however is an insult to the many, many more mainstream pasta religions everywhere. I would dare say it a religion of Terrorism.

DK

[blowfish]

and there are therefore different theories regarding its nature - evolutionary theory, design theory, etc.

I prefer the 'tiny angels snipping DNA with tiny gold scissors' theory. It has just as much supporting evidence as ID. In fact, I *demand* it be taught in science classes.

[Vaquero]

Flying Spaghetti Monster bump Hah...how bout this...... You are a fluke of the universe; you have no right to be here, & whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind your back. Therefore make peace with your God whatever you conceive Him to be -- Hairy Thunderer or Cosmic Muffin. With all its hopes, dreams, promises, & urban renewal, the world continues to deteriorate. Give up. FROM DETERIORATA....THE NATIONAL LAMPOON

[Quick1]

Actually, there are plenty of rational arguments. The problem is that the IDers completely ignore them and instead listen to things that make them "feel" good, so we have to do some silly stuff to even get their attention.

[longshadow]

May you be touched by His Noodly Appendage, for then you shall be truly blessed.

[VadeRetro]

“You can only use that misinformation so long,” Calvert said. Calvert said the science standards do not promote intelligent design, but show that evolution has its critics.

"Teach the controversy," yes. That's easy, BTW. The controversy is not in science. The controversy is in school board rooms.

The main question is on the ID side. There are the Raelians, the FSM-ists, the Last Thursdayists, etc. Coyoteman has the exhaustive if not complete list.

[firewalk]

You are a fluke of the universe; you have no right to be here, & whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind your back. Therefore make peace with your God whatever you conceive Him to be -- Hairy Thunderer or Cosmic Muffin. With all its hopes, dreams, promises, & urban renewal, the world continues to deteriorate. Give up. FROM DETERIORATA....THE NATIONAL LAMPOON


This explains everything...thanks matey